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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by baq »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #54
Shivetya wrote: post #27

NBA? How about the US government? I know in another post I made the point that we could not just call out Blizzard or other game companies but instead have to call out ALL companies that do business in China and worse crack down on their own and related who dare say something China does not approve of. However the real party that has to be taken to task is our own governments. In the US that means both Congress and t…

>How it plays out in the EU I have no idea, news of any of their businesses or governments bending to China's will are pretty much absent from US news EU governments and companies bend over for China way easier than in the US as there's a huge lack on unity in the EU where it's every country for itself like when China protested on Norway's leaders not meeting the Dalai Lama and Norway complied.[1] [1] https://www.nyt…

It’d be much worse if what you say was completely true, though certainly there are idiot countries trying to fool everyone including themselves that doing business with dictators is good for them.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by badrequest »

paggle wrote: post #92
tyre wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The owner of the Nets is an executive at Alibaba. He will follow the party line and has (calling Hong Kong protestors “separatists”, etc.) The jersey sponsor of the LA Lakers is Wish.com, a company doing drop shipping from China. LeBron James is sponsored by Nike (as are all of the jerseys) and Nike has significant interest in keeping the Chinese market open. LeBron is leading production of Space Jam 2. He won’t jeop…

As Michael Jordan didn't say... "Republicans buy sneakers too." Billionaires didn't get to be billionaires by leaving money on the table. We need large scale political action against China.

We need to adopt an economic system that doesn't prize currency above human dignity.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

duxup wrote: post #60
whitebread wrote: post #45

Can we relax with the self-made, altruistic view of billionaires? Self-made is a myth, and an NBA owner just released a book titled "Shut Up and Listen." Money talks, and it seems pretty clear that all of the moves previously made were actually for profits, not social causes.

>Can we relax with the self-made, altruistic view of billionaires? I'm not sure that user is pushing a particular agenda you describe. Nor does the name of a book prove much of anything.

It proves that you're too lazy to read, which is generally the winning point in an argument.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by tasubotadas »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #54
Shivetya wrote: post #27

NBA? How about the US government? I know in another post I made the point that we could not just call out Blizzard or other game companies but instead have to call out ALL companies that do business in China and worse crack down on their own and related who dare say something China does not approve of. However the real party that has to be taken to task is our own governments. In the US that means both Congress and t…

>How it plays out in the EU I have no idea, news of any of their businesses or governments bending to China's will are pretty much absent from US news EU governments and companies bend over for China way easier than in the US as there's a huge lack on unity in the EU where it's every country for itself like when China protested on Norway's leaders not meeting the Dalai Lama and Norway complied.[1] [1] https://www.nyt…

Not quite true.

* Vilnius takes down ads after China promotes unsanctioned commemoration – 'it's a geopolitical provocation' [1]

* Lithuania hands note to China over incident during Hong Kong support rally in Vilnius [2]

[1] https://www.lrt.lt/naujienos/news-in-english/19/1100141/viln...

[2] https://www.lrt.lt/naujienos/news-in-english/19/1093636/lith...

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Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by r00fus »

Shivetya wrote: post #27

NBA? How about the US government? I know in another post I made the point that we could not just call out Blizzard or other game companies but instead have to call out ALL companies that do business in China and worse crack down on their own and related who dare say something China does not approve of. However the real party that has to be taken to task is our own governments. In the US that means both Congress and t…

> How about the US government?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/04/trump-china-ho...

Clearly our chief executive is happy to silence efforts. All for support re-electing him.

Why China would agree I don't know (the Falun Gong who hates the current Chinese government was, a few months ago the top-dollar supporter of the Trump campaign, not to mention the trade war).

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Post by IanDrake »

tyre wrote: post #57
nugget wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Already-rich folks kowtowing to fascists for a quick buck is beyond pathetic. Most NBA team owners are already billionaires. I believe most of them are self-made and have signed the giving pledge, meaning they will donate much of their wealth to charities at or before their death. If anyone can afford to take a stand, it would seem to be them.

The owner of the Nets is an executive at Alibaba. He will follow the party line and has (calling Hong Kong protestors “separatists”, etc.) The jersey sponsor of the LA Lakers is Wish.com, a company doing drop shipping from China. LeBron James is sponsored by Nike (as are all of the jerseys) and Nike has significant interest in keeping the Chinese market open. LeBron is leading production of Space Jam 2. He won’t jeop…

>calling Hong Kong protesters “separatists”, etc.

Devil's advocate here...Are they not separatist? If not, shouldn't they be?

It's hard to imagine your "country" working on a death clock. In 2047 it all ends. So, what is the point of fighting the good fight at this point? Why not face the inevitable and leave while you can? Or fight for a final independence now, while you can?

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Post by justaduderr »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #97
justaduderr wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, are you going to post about the many US atrocities as well? Slavery, extermination of the indigenous population, redlining, Jim Crow, exploitation of illegal immigrant labor, etc. Keep in mind this isn't even counting what the USA does abroad. China is bad, but USA is bad too. Make no mistake.

What about it-ism doesn't get us anywhere. The US is bad but has aspirations, historical, theoretical and actual of recognizing mistakes and doing better. Among many things we recognize today in the us is that it was wrong to imprison Japanese people in the US in ww2, Jim Crow laws were wrong, slavery was wrong and we changed the constitution to deal with it (and fought a war), changed laws against Jim Crow type thin…

> What about it-ism doesn't get us anywhere.

This is false. Energy, money, time and resources are better used focusing on domestic concerns that can easily be resolved, not foreign matters.

The USA has never owned up to anything without violent protests, and as you say yourself, a war. China will have the same growing pains I'm sure. I won't bother list what USA has done in foreign nations, but suffice it to say it's pretty bad.

The point is that people don't actually care about the bad things, it's just typical anti-China sentiment being fed by major publications.

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Post by 5trokerac3 »

madiathomas wrote: post #68
5trokerac3 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling you're not going to want to admit this, but the current administration is actively reversing that policy. Also look into what China is doing economically in Africa and you might be reminded of pre-Gulf War America in the Middle East.

I live in an African country. I know what China is doing in my country. This is what they are doing -> Investing billions of rands and they never supported an unjust government like US which was sponsoring apartheid government in my country and listed Nelson Mandela as a terrorist for fighting against their favourite government which was oppressing black people in their own country.

Yeah, the Han Chinese have zero history of considering other peoples inferior. Give me a fucking break.

You sound like someone who was on the Shah's payroll in the 70s.

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Post by Invictus0 »

purple_ducks wrote: post #90
smogcutter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appropriately enough, the term you’re looking for is kowtowing (not towing cows), a Chinese term for a deep bow of respect.

You understand the phrase though right? There was no ambivalence on his meaning or usage. > Appropriately enough Ironically enough, you're misusing this phrase.

Give me a break, this guy literally just wrote out "cow-towing"

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Post by fudgy73 »

tw04 wrote: post #67
reaperducer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree that the NBA has stand up and to do the right thing, I'm not sure that "incremental" is the correct description of the league's profits. I read an article very recently (NY Times, maybe?) that laid out the numbers, and the amount of money the NBA earns in China dwarfs its U.S. revenue. not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league It already has basketball leagues. And considering…

>the amount of money the NBA earns in China dwarfs its U.S. revenue. Source? >It already has basketball leagues. I guess it's a good thing I didn't say they don't. Partial quoting to try to make a point where there isn't one isn't very cool. >And considering that China has exported star players to the NBA, it's certainly a possibility. It's exported exactly one star: yao Ming, and one slightly above average player in…

Jeremy Lin is Taiwanese bruh
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