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The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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It's frightening to what degree China is able to censor people living well outside of their jurisdiction.

Indeed, at what time and place do we decide to draw a line? I feel that time and place is nearly here.

10 years ago would have been an opportune time, that no one is able to refuse their censorship seems like reasonable proof that they've become too powerful to do anything about.

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You're not a global power.

"The Pope! How many divisions has he got?" --Stalin Today the Vatican is still a state. The Catholic church remains influential. The USSR has fallen and the Soviet system has been discredited. The above article would not have been written if the CCP's objections were an effective way to silence western critics. It would not be unreasonable to expect a truly powerful entity to be unconcerned with criticisms from a bas…

> Today the Vatican is still a state. The Catholic church remains influential. The USSR has fallen and the Soviet system has been discredited.

The Russian federation still exists, is controlled by a former KGB operative from the Soviet Union, and is actively waging war in Europe while annexing parts of neighboring countries.

And the pope still has zero divisions to oppose that.

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by that argument everything is always "up the people". "well if they don't like $X they can always revolt." revolt isn't a very flexible means of expressing the wills of the people.

But if the people in power use force to prevent a legitimate discussion then the only avenue left is revolution. There is no legitimate way for the people to involve in discussion, the HK protesters want democracy, the Chinese government doesn't. What alternative do the HK citizens have apart from not be part of China? Edit: further there is no way to express dissent in China, the HKers are taking their life in their…

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

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I am surprisingly conflicted. My strongest urge is to plainly say, screw them. China is a dictatorship, they are actively stomping out freedoms which I very much believe everyone living person had a right to. If they can't stand hearing the truth, fine, no NBA in China. In the back of my mind, I also recognize that isolation and division breeds more isolation and division. No NBA in China means less Western and Easte…

> China doesn't have that kind of influence in our country

When China tells American business to jump, they ask how high.

He who has the gold makes the rules.

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That's not logical. Democratic or not is an unrelated issue. The people can still be patriot on this matter.

Democratic means the government is voted by the people and represents the people. Authoritative means its not. People can be patriotic on this matter, but it still doesn't represent all the people.

It also allows for the people to “change their mind”

Authoritarian governments do not

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>China really needs to get a grip and understand that with seven billion people in the world, not everyone is going to agree with everything it wants 1.4 billion of those people are Chinese, and they can get outaged over whatever ridiculous shit they want.

It's controlled outrage. The Chinese government controls what they see and therefore where the outrage is directed towards. The average Chinese person either doesn't know about Tinanmen or agrees with it, but are outraged by this.

"The average Chinese person either doesn't know about Tinanmen" I am an average Chinese person but I know it since I was a teenager. I suggest that you don't assume that Chinese people is controlled like puppet, that's simply wrong.

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Indeed, at what time and place do we decide to draw a line? I feel that time and place is nearly here.

10 years ago would have been an opportune time, that no one is able to refuse their censorship seems like reasonable proof that they've become too powerful to do anything about.

so we roll over and just take it?

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>China really needs to get a grip and understand that with seven billion people in the world, not everyone is going to agree with everything it wants 1.4 billion of those people are Chinese, and they can get outaged over whatever ridiculous shit they want.

Most of them are brainwashed by one party politics and one party news in their own country so I am not sure their outrage means anything.

how many Chinese people have you ever talked to before you say "most of them are brainwashed"? If more than 1 billion people are brainwashed in the era of Internet, either 1. it is a huge success of Chinese government or 2. it's not the truth.

As we all know, VPN is very popular in China. It's just an easy job to access information out of Great Fire Wall.

thinking critically, could you be "brainwashed" by some degree when you assume more than 1 billion people got brainwashed?

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Could be an interesting market niche for a studio that makes movies that unapologetically espouses western values and doesn't take any money from nondemocratic funders. See if it's possible to earn a profit without selling out.

> See if it's possible to earn a profit without selling out. Unfortunately it's not possible. Nearly everyone on HN would rather invest in a total stock market index fund, simply because it gives better returns. How much different? Approximately 1% more. So there you have it. People will sell out for 1% of their portfolio. Myself included.

Google said no to China's censorship and is doing pretty well.

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> See if it's possible to earn a profit without selling out. Unfortunately it's not possible. Nearly everyone on HN would rather invest in a total stock market index fund, simply because it gives better returns. How much different? Approximately 1% more. So there you have it. People will sell out for 1% of their portfolio. Myself included.

Google said no to China's censorship and is doing pretty well.

In 2018, Google made 3 billion in Chinese ad sales. Facebook made 5 billion.
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