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CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

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Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

#101

Heh. I just found out last week my hosting provider had put my websites on cloudflare for me. They are not my hosting provider anymore. How did I find out? Traffic to the sites (all legitimate) fell circa 75% overnight. (non english sites)

> Traffic to the sites (all legitimate)

How do you know it was all legitimate?

I don't understand how cloudflare can stay in business if they cause a 75% drop in legitimate traffic to any website.

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

#102

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Asia is the #1 attacker of all websites I work with. Since 100% of the traffic (based on our analysis) coming from Asia is not legitimate business traffic, how would you advise those responsible for these sites security to handle this? Edit: I have no interest in using Cloudflare...

Similar for me. From the 732745 login attempts last month, 52% were from China, followed by US with 13%. Here is a graph: https://i.imgur.com/YPAuTXO.png The sheer volume of bot traffic surprised me at first, especially since my website has zero human visitors as far as I can tell, but the numbers are consistent month after month. Nevertheless, my $1/month VPS can handle the traffic without a problem, so I see no nee…

> my $1/month VPS can handle the traffic without a problem, so I see no need to ban or rate limit any IPs, especially since I hate captchas with a passion.

I run a company that routinely scrapes government run, public domain websites. Sadly, many of these sites come with captchas. We can easily bypass these captchas by paying roughly $1.50/1000 captchas, but when scraping millions of pages a month, these costs become significant.

As far as I can tell, adding a captcha to a site does nothing to prevent bots, it just alters the economics of any business that relies on the data. I understand that bots can potentially slow down servers and cause disruptions for human users, but for the handful of government agencies that actually talk to us, we happily restrict scraping to certain hours of the day or limit overall traffic to a reasonable level. I would go further and happily give the money we're spending on solving captchas back to the government so they can upgrade their servers and make the system better for everyone.

For those that are conducting nefarious activities, captchas likely do nothing. For individuals, they are annoying. For legitimate scraping companies, they are a needless expense. Captchas are pretty obsolete.

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

#105
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you suggest to the people running websites where 90%+ of the hack attempts come from Hong Kong?

Please stop spreading this false narrative: https://www.slashgeek.net/2016/06/07/cloudflare-making-inter... Most network attacks and Spams actually comes from the United States.

I think they were suggesting the websites they run, 90%+ of the attacks come from Hong Kong, i.e. not that 90% of all website attacks come from HK. No way of knowing unless they publish the logs/stats

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

#106
post #87

Companies like CloudFlare are contributing to the erosion of user privacy in the name of security. I experience the same kind of issues that the author of the article highlights, just because I take some privacy measures. It's my view that so-called security on the Internet, which implies confidentiality, integrity, and availability, is getting increasingly worse for end users. If I want to give up all of my privacy,…

The article is complaining that CloudFlare (as a result of them refusing to track you) requires people to solve captchas over and over again. How is this hurting your privacy exactly?

My computer needs to contact Google to make those captchas work

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asia is the #1 attacker of all websites I work with. Since 100% of the traffic (based on our analysis) coming from Asia is not legitimate business traffic, how would you advise those responsible for these sites security to handle this? Edit: I have no interest in using Cloudflare...

Similar for me. From the 732745 login attempts last month, 52% were from China, followed by US with 13%. Here is a graph: https://i.imgur.com/YPAuTXO.png The sheer volume of bot traffic surprised me at first, especially since my website has zero human visitors as far as I can tell, but the numbers are consistent month after month. Nevertheless, my $1/month VPS can handle the traffic without a problem, so I see no nee…

Cool chart but... why are the countries not labelled?

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

#108

How is it Google.com doesn’t require captchas to open the home page? Nor does apple.com or any number of massive-traffic sites. The idea that captcha is the best, most effective, or most secure way to protect against DoS is just lazy.

I get captchas on google.com all the time, especially if I make several complicated queries with operators in a short time span. And as this other guy says you are guaranteed to get a captcha from Tor

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

#109
post #98
post #93

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Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t one of the strongest signals recaptcha uses to prove “I am not a robot” the fact that you’re currently logged into a google account, have the associated cookies, etc? This “phoning home” from all these sites is a clear privacy challenge. The good news is Safari and Firefox are making this harder and harder. The bad news is that you’ll be solving a lot more captchas.

I wonder if privacy conscious browsers making their users have to solve more captchas will lead to more people disabling the privacy features... or there will be a time when captchas may become micro transaction based, so for a fee you might be able to skip them. A browser with support for an anonymous cryptocurrency to make the payments should be private and easy to use enough, but it might become an interesting wor…

Try creating a free email account on ProtonMail. I think they have an interesting approach very similar to what you're describing.

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet for me (2016)

#110
post #87

Companies like CloudFlare are contributing to the erosion of user privacy in the name of security. I experience the same kind of issues that the author of the article highlights, just because I take some privacy measures. It's my view that so-called security on the Internet, which implies confidentiality, integrity, and availability, is getting increasingly worse for end users. If I want to give up all of my privacy,…

The article is complaining that CloudFlare (as a result of them refusing to track you) requires people to solve captchas over and over again. How is this hurting your privacy exactly?

reCAPTCHA takes time and effort. It includes intentional delays and a random number of iterations (1-3). It also randomly fails and requires reloading the page. Instead of 2 second page loads, you spend 15-20 seconds. This makes browsing over a VPN frustratingly slow.

I'm convinced that reCAPTCHA is now just one of Google's tools to keep us all trackable and stop us from protecting our privacy. And CloudFlare is bringing it to half of the Internet. Bad bad bad. And shame.

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