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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by com2kid »

JadeNB wrote: post #50
kbumsik wrote: post #29

It reminds me how the first Surface Pro looked like. It was incomplete and useless device so it didn't go well. However, Microsoft didn't give up. After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3, which was the first useful Windows tablet with a cleverly designed keyboard and a great 3:2 ratio screen. The surface line finally took off and third-parties began to make "surface-like" products since then. Micr…

> Microsoft is not like Apple. They don't make perfect products at the beginning For example, perfect butterfly keyboards.

Hockey Puck mouse.

Heck my Mac-mini overheats and throttles itself not by reducing the CPU clock but apparently by having a system process just take ownership of the CPU and NO-OP things until the system cools down, bringing everything including the UI down to a crawl.

An absolutely horrible user experience.

The famous display snow that happened for years when plugging external monitors into Macbooks.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by reaperducer »

ken wrote: post #90
asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

> Although I have no hope from Apple, I'm still waiting to see what the next MBP iteration would be. You can use an iPad as a second screen for a MacBook. It still gives you a traditional keyboard and single screen when you don’t need that, and you can use just the second screen as a computing device on its own. I haven’t used this setup but I assume Apple would say this is the best of both worlds already. Is there s…

I've done this with third-party solutions, and it's fantastic, especially when traveling.

I'm really looking forward to having it as part of the next OS update.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by joombaga »

djsumdog wrote: post #42
vidanay wrote: post #2

Now we can all be 10 X developers!

Slightly off topic, but with Android going back to version numbers instead of desert names, the next version will be Android 10 .. so we'll have Windows 10, macOS X (10.something) and Android 10. Arguably, Apple has been in the 10 camp longest. Windows 10 X just sounds like reverse macOS (MacOS X 10.x)

> desert

"dessert". Easy mnemonic: It's so sweet they had to give it two S's :) (thanks Justin McElroy)

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by ndespres »

stetrain wrote: post #78
core-questions wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want to tell us that "this doesn't matter to consumers", but this is just another way of saying "we're only interested in actually marketing to consumers that can't tell the difference".

It's interesting to see Apple doing the opposite these days. In the consumer facing keynote the meticulously separate Watch, iPhone, iPad, Mac, and TV with the capabilities and apps that run on each. Then they have their dev keynote where they explain how these apps are really all based on shared technology and can all be made using the same new frameworks and then released to each app store for users.

Apple's strategy is great for consumers, IT departments, and (I assume) developers in that way. I can use the same device management tools to control a corporate Macbook, Apple TV, or iPad. The differences in their product line (iPad vs iPad Pro, Macbook vs Macbook Pro, etc) all have a common denominator where you're rarely having one of those conversations where someone realizes "Oh I asked for X but procurement dept got me a 2X which is completely incompatible".

Someone posted a rant here[1] that I think about often, about Microsoft's muddying the waters of Skype, Skype for Business, OneDrive, OneDrive for Business, Windows 10, Windows 10 N, which are all different, incompatible, broken products that you would think fit together but truly don't. It's frustrating as both a consumer and an IT admin, and diminishes my faith in anything they do on this side of the market.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14160809

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by asenna »

ken wrote: post #90
asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

> Although I have no hope from Apple, I'm still waiting to see what the next MBP iteration would be. You can use an iPad as a second screen for a MacBook. It still gives you a traditional keyboard and single screen when you don’t need that, and you can use just the second screen as a computing device on its own. I haven’t used this setup but I assume Apple would say this is the best of both worlds already. Is there s…

One of the reasons I'm excited about a built-in second screen is, I don't need to carry another extra device. I mean even if I need to use an ipad, I'm currently slouching on my couch. I need a flat surface to keep that ipad/screen at the right angle. Sounds petty but it's just very convenient to have more real estate on your lap (or on a flight or cafe table).

Also, I'm not too into the Apple ecosystem and don't own an ipad so would have to get an ipad just to use it as a second screen. I think it could work for some but an integrate dual screen solution is exciting.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by mandeepj »

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

> https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ZenBook-Pro-Duo-UX581GV/

Apple touch bar, done right :-)

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by dmix »

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

I'm happy to see that Asus managed to find a way to keep the Escape key even while taking up way more space than Touchbar. Apple has no excuse.

Still I'd personally rather use efficient tiling software + tabbing between spaces than have to look down at distractions. I'm amazed no major OS developer has tried to deliver this as an advanced mode. It's the type of thing that would benefit from direct OS integration.

Most of the MacOS tiling software have occasional awkward moments with Spaces and fullscreen mode.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by asenna »

mandeepj wrote: post #106
asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

> https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ZenBook-Pro-Duo-UX581GV/ Apple touch bar, done right :-)

Yes! Which is why I'm still wishing someone at Apple wakes up from their busy schedule of making the "Pro" laptops thinner and instead add in some actual pro stuff!

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by enumjorge »

klohto wrote: post #88
kbumsik wrote: post #29

It reminds me how the first Surface Pro looked like. It was incomplete and useless device so it didn't go well. However, Microsoft didn't give up. After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3, which was the first useful Windows tablet with a cleverly designed keyboard and a great 3:2 ratio screen. The surface line finally took off and third-parties began to make "surface-like" products since then. Micr…

> Microsoft is not like Apple. They don't make perfect products at the beginning Oh man, try to remember how the first iPhone was. It was the most useless thing in the world. It didn’t have app store! The lesson is to iterate, iterate and iterate

I disagree that it was useless. The first iPhone had a small but very polished set of features.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by lucb1e »

zokier wrote: post #31

Considering that Windows has been supporting multiple displays for what, 20 years now, it feels bit odd to make that the headline feature

Yeah I'm really wondering why it is news that Windows runs on a device that has 2 screens connected. Can anyone who upvoted explain what was interesting about this? Or if you didn't, at least why we need a new version of Windows to do the same as standard Windows already could?
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