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The problem with the teacher pay to me is obvious, market forces aren't allowed to play themselves out. Think about it: A teacher should be paid according to their skill, supply, and demand. A great teachers time is highly valuable and there should never be a cap on how much they make or considerations on such an important task to hinder on concepts such as tenure. If I hire a private teacher for my kids to teach the…
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Pensions, bonuses and scholarships seem to be exceptions. Median income is also a poor indicator.
Pensions for teachers are certainly common. I grew up in a completely different part of the country and all my teachers also had pensions. I'm not sure how the median income is a poor indicator -- she makes as much as the median household does for the city.
It's especially bizarre that the rules also penalize drawing on spousal survivor benefits.
The problem with the teacher pay to me is obvious, market forces aren't allowed to play themselves out. Think about it: A teacher should be paid according to their skill, supply, and demand. A great teachers time is highly valuable and there should never be a cap on how much they make or considerations on such an important task to hinder on concepts such as tenure. If I hire a private teacher for my kids to teach the…
Most alternative schools are like TM Landry, with profit or religous indoctrination often being the 1st priority, and actual education not being statistically different than what public schools offer.
The more I read articles in education based on national numbers the more I realize that national macroeconomic views are pretty much meaningless compared to local micro views. I don't care how much teachers make nationally, - I care how much teachers make at my local schools.
I suppose then people elsewhere are expected not to care what teachers at your local school make then? Isn't politics about seeing a larger picture?
No. In fact, there's a saying in politics: "All politics is local."
This seems to use private education as a benchmark for the entire argument. From quit rates, to pay, to conditions, and beyond, but ignores the obvious which is that private pay and private conditions are largely pinned to be just above public salaries and conditions (meaning private education cannot be used as a benchmark for when someone is under-paid, over-qualified, or has too high of a quit rate because they are…
I would note that at least based on the educators I know, private schools often tend to pay LESS than public. Obviously, this may be dependent on area, but in Georgia at least, teachers at private schools typically make less once you factor in things like 401k, retirement, and health insurance. A lot less. This is an anecdote but my cousin's wife quit her job at a public high school to work at a private school, alleg…
Seattle's Catholic Schools are single handedly bringing back Measles & Rubella as a latent disease, where it used to not exist.
With Running Start being an option for the last 2 years of High School (if your in public school), its much easier to advance your education rapidly if you so choose.
This seems to use private education as a benchmark for the entire argument. From quit rates, to pay, to conditions, and beyond, but ignores the obvious which is that private pay and private conditions are largely pinned to be just above public salaries and conditions (meaning private education cannot be used as a benchmark for when someone is under-paid, over-qualified, or has too high of a quit rate because they are…
"Teacher salaries are adjusted based on the assumption of a 10-month work year."
...which is a good way to give them a virtual 17% pay raise. I wonder if the same applies to other professions like independent contractors or lawyers, who can only charge for part of their working time.
This seems to use private education as a benchmark for the entire argument. From quit rates, to pay, to conditions, and beyond, but ignores the obvious which is that private pay and private conditions are largely pinned to be just above public salaries and conditions (meaning private education cannot be used as a benchmark for when someone is under-paid, over-qualified, or has too high of a quit rate because they are…
I read the article and over and over it mentions "public-school teachers" and "public-school students".
It mentions that the union lobbying organization compares their salaries to that of private sector employees with different jobs, but Masters, and who are not in rural areas as much as teachers. The author then argues that may not be the best comparison.
No where in the article do we see a look at private school teachers as you claim.
It's fascinating you're the top voted comment and no one has noticed your thesis isn't true. This suggests no one here in this entire thread has read the article. Weird.
Anyway, private school teacher salaries are generally lower than public school teachers anyway. Good teachers will take a salary hit to have better students, more control of their classroom and curriculum, and enforced discipline. When I went to a private school most of the teachers had PhDs and the classes were comparable to university level.
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My wife's about to hit a wall on pay increases at right at $40k if she doesn't get a master's degree. Never get another real raise, just sub-inflation bumps every year. With quite a damn while left until retirement. Mind, the master's degrees most teachers get aren't exactly hard —there's a giant market for easy-as-pie degrees for teachers for exactly this reason, and that's what most universities deliver and what mo…
Why does the school require it? If everyone agrees its silly, why don't they just drop the requirement?
The problem with the teacher pay to me is obvious, market forces aren't allowed to play themselves out. Think about it: A teacher should be paid according to their skill, supply, and demand. A great teachers time is highly valuable and there should never be a cap on how much they make or considerations on such an important task to hinder on concepts such as tenure. If I hire a private teacher for my kids to teach the…
This seems to use private education as a benchmark for the entire argument. From quit rates, to pay, to conditions, and beyond, but ignores the obvious which is that private pay and private conditions are largely pinned to be just above public salaries and conditions (meaning private education cannot be used as a benchmark for when someone is under-paid, over-qualified, or has too high of a quit rate because they are…
>how society decides salaries. It seems pretty arbitrary from my perspective. Society doesn't "decide". It's a decided by the labor market. Nobody wants to pay programmers six figures. It's a myth that we think teachers are less important than programmers because they make less on average. There is just a larger supply of qualified teachers willing to work at lower prices. Wait until you find out how little art histo…
You can absolutely hire a programmer for $70k if you're willing to significantly relax your standards. On the other hand, you probably wouldn't be able to hire enough teachers at existing teacher salaries if you significantly raised your standards for what counts as "qualified".
Tech companies have to use a relatively high bar, because bad developers will drive them out of business, but such market forces don't apply to schools. Unless you want to completely privatize education (which has its own set of issues) we have to use the political process to drive schools to raise their both their salaries and hiring standards.