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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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I challenge you to go to the teslamotorsclub.com forums or Reddit and poll ACTUAL users. You will quickly find that this is NOT the majority. I frequent those forums and most users are very satisfied with their cars.

You have to acknowledge that there's some selection bias in a sampling from a forum for a particular car brand though.

On top of choice-supportive bias for current owners of any car brand.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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I wonder what happens if your phone freezes and you can't push the "oh god, stop!" button? Would you still be at fault?

I guess it's an "keep going" button that you have to hold down, but still, if you're phone freezes - is there a fail state we can be absolutely certain of between the phone and the car?

More than likely, as the driver holds the button on the phone, the phone sends a message with the command, at a decently fast rate. If the message stops coming in, doesn't come in within an acceptable interval, comes in out of order (possibly indicating a bad line of site), or signal strength is low. If any of this happens, the car exits summon and the driver has to re-enable it if they want to.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Imagine describing sitting in a parking lot watching YouTube in your car a "joyous experience".

As strange as it is to a pedestrian such as myself, sitting in parking lots with the climate set to your liking, the doors locked, and a media on the screen, seems to be an increasingly popular past-time. I personally don't understand it, but cars selling to this use-case are seemingly more successful than cars that don't, and these parking lot homebodies are popping up more and more.

People in Japan rent cars just to sit in them!

https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/5/20683406/japan-car-sharing...

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Android Auto is very underwhelming. I don't even bother, since it requires you to plug in your phone via USB. After having a wireless charger in the car and at home, I never want to have to mess with a cord again.

Both CarPlay and Android Auto support wireless connectivity.

Sure they support it. But you have to have a head unit that supports it. Only BMW/Mini and Audi offers wireless CarPlay, and only aftermarket head units support Android.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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> I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term. Are you serious? That false narrative fueled by FUD has been the talking point by short-sellers since 2008 (Only Tesla and Ford survived the 2008 market crash btw). It's now 2019 and you would think people would know any better.

Huh?, 2008 they were not in survival mode. There wasn't anything there for Tesla to crash. Tesla now operates in Billions of dollars. A 10% miss in sales results in Billions in losses.

> Huh?, 2008 they were not in survival mode.

It sure was! They had some troubles delivering the very first Roadsters and Elon had to use his own money to keep the company afloat (also SpaceX) and continue making payroll.

> A 10% miss in sales results in Billions in losses.

Well that's how the market inherently works you know? Tesla vehicle sales have also been rising year-over-year so your 10% miss does not apply.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Netflix Revenue — $17 billion Gross Profit — $5.8 billion EBITDA — $2 billion Market Cap — $111 billion Debt — $14 billion Enterprise Value — $125 billion Tesla Revenue — $25B Gross Profit — $4B EBITDA — $2.33B Market Cap — $39B Debt — $14B Enterprise Value — $54B ------------------- Uber Revenue — $12 billion Gross Profit — $4 billion EBITDA — negative $7.6 billion Market Cap — $53 billion Debt — $6.2 billion Enterp…

Holy shit! The lies that you have put Tesla's Q2 Gross Profit was 900 million with a Gross profit of -170 Million. Where did you get the 25B Gross Profit from?

> Revenue — $25B Gross Profit — $4B

I think this means that the Gross Profit was $4B, not 25. And Gross Profit is Revenue - Cost of Goods Sold [0], so they may still have had losses after R&D and expansion.

The EBITDA number of $2.33B also seems reasonable as a "last four quarters" measure here [1] (which actually lists $2.35B).

0: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/grossprofit.asp

1: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/ebitda

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Is there a specific reason why Tesla refuses to integrate CarPlay or Android Auto?

Android Auto is very underwhelming. I don't even bother, since it requires you to plug in your phone via USB. After having a wireless charger in the car and at home, I never want to have to mess with a cord again.

Wireless android auto/carplay are shipping on certain luxury vehicles as well now, I look forward to that feature moving downmarket.

It was very pricey but I got a ProClip mount for my phone. Phone slots right in, automatically starts charging and Android Auto loads right up.

AA/Carplay will win in the long term, simply due to the fact that there's a larger market and app makers can publish their own apps. In other words, I can use Pocket Casts in my Chevy Volt, but need to use a phone screen + bluetooth audio in my Tesla.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

#108

Is there a specific reason why Tesla refuses to integrate CarPlay or Android Auto?

Could be related to what mentioned here (Volkswagen explaining why it's developing its own SW): https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/09/volkswagen-audi-porsche...

But really be careful how much Android you're talking about. There are some brands really using Google's automotive services; this is not our strategy. When you do this, you get a great package of function and services, no doubt. But you also have to open up all the car's sensor data [to Google], and when I say all, it really is all sensor data," Senger told me.

(statement from Christian Senger, mentioned by Ars as being VW Group's Digital Car and Services division)

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

#109
Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane...

This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Considering that they haven't perfected the "don't accelerate into stationary objects" algorithm, I'm not sure I trust this in an area with a lot of pedestrian traffic.

The freeway control regime is entirely different from a low-speed control regime required to safely maneuver in a parking lot. Where I'd expect strange things to occur would be when a car confuses a baby rolling on the asphalt with a garbage bag being blown in the wind, and runs it over.

It is all about adjusting the confidence required to make certain actions. A car traveling 70 mph on the freeway can be in a lot of danger if it suddenly brakes unnecessarily, but that generally isn't true for a car going 10 mph in a parking lot. You therefore have to be a lot more confident that "garbage bag" is a "baby" on the freeway while in the parking lot you can stop at pretty much all signs of trouble.
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