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When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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No one can really even define what a Millennial is, or who falls in to Generation Y/Z. Even "who is a Boomer?", and the tropes of what a Boomer is, fail when looking at my anecdotal data. Also often activist children are heavily influenced by their activist parents. Generational classification and "analysis" is almost as bad as stereotypes.

Unlike horoscopes, where a computer wouldn't be able to predict a person's "sign" from e.g. tweet data any more often than chance, generations really do work as a predictor for some behaviors (or vice-versa.) Think of it this way: if 10% of every other generation does X, but 40% of a particular generation does X, then that generation really should be known for doing X, even though the majority of members of that gene…

That's why I think "era" is a better view for this kind of categorization. It doesn't slap a label on the individuals and individuals can discuss living through that era without implying they did X.

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you cannot imagine an 11 year old not having a smartphone?

I could have got a cellphone in high school and didn't. I didn't in university either. I was uncomfortable with the idea of my location being tracked, and the idea that I could be interrupted by a call at any time.

Oh. Maybe back then. But we don't use phones to make calls any more. Only robots actually call you out of nowhere, so you just turn the ringer for incoming calls off. If you actually need to communicate synchronously, you text the person you want to call first, so you know it's okay to call them, and they know to pick up when you do.

Every once in a while, leave your phone at home when you go somewhere. Every step you take, you can think to yourself "yeah, try to track me now, chumps". Pay cash for all your purchases. Refuse to give real information to anybody. You're a digital phantom now!

The only thing you can't get from a less-trackable non-phone device is cellular network connectivity. And you can sort of get around that with gratis wi-fi connections, if you're careful to de-fingerprint your device. I'm imagining a handheld qubes/tails. It would be nice to have a less-centralized mesh network that explicitly valued peer confidentiality, but apparently there's no profit in it yet.

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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No one can really even define what a Millennial is, or who falls in to Generation Y/Z. Even "who is a Boomer?", and the tropes of what a Boomer is, fail when looking at my anecdotal data. Also often activist children are heavily influenced by their activist parents. Generational classification and "analysis" is almost as bad as stereotypes.

Think of mixing colors. If you mix 50/50 red & blue, obviously that's purple. When it's 80/20 red & blue, that looks more red than blue but looks purple but not the same as above. When it's 20/80 red & blue, that looks more blue than red but looks purple but not the same as above. It's a classification using a gradient, not an integer so yes, the boundaries are hard to tell but are still there.

Wavelength values are linear. The labels cause all the arguments.

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Seems like a banal humble brag about her kid. The author makes it pretty clear she is really into social media and projecting an image of her best self. She goes to quite an effort to make it clear her son is rejecting shallow values. Likely embellished. I didn’t want a phone as a kid. That doesn’t mean I didn’t spend tons of time on the computer instead. A kid not liking pop music or social media is probably extreme…

This was my feeling as well. It feels more like a humblebrag than anything. My own 11 year old loves popular music and would probably carry me to work every day on his back if I let him get a smartphone.

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Think of mixing colors. If you mix 50/50 red & blue, obviously that's purple. When it's 80/20 red & blue, that looks more red than blue but looks purple but not the same as above. When it's 20/80 red & blue, that looks more blue than red but looks purple but not the same as above. It's a classification using a gradient, not an integer so yes, the boundaries are hard to tell but are still there.

Wavelength values are linear. The labels cause all the arguments.

*Continuous

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Unlike horoscopes, where a computer wouldn't be able to predict a person's "sign" from e.g. tweet data any more often than chance, generations really do work as a predictor for some behaviors (or vice-versa.) Think of it this way: if 10% of every other generation does X, but 40% of a particular generation does X, then that generation really should be known for doing X, even though the majority of members of that gene…

That's why I think "era" is a better view for this kind of categorization. It doesn't slap a label on the individuals and individuals can discuss living through that era without implying they did X.

Sure. All "generation $foo" is supposed to mean is "the set of people who grew up in the 15-year era $foo". Saying things about a "generation" is saying things about the effect that that era had on the people who grew up in it.

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This looks like a smart kid from the description given. It's possible that he spent a good time reading recent literature about the drawbacks and decided not to join the masses. Or he just thought twice before following everyone. Either way it's always refreshing to find very young people doing different stuff by themselves as it's specially tough not to follow the trends during that age. I also noticed that there's…

My 11-year old also never looks at her phone. We actually keep having to remind her to do so because we are texting her with reminders all the time. She seems to have almost zero interest in texting with her friends and will only occasionally play games or read books on the Kindle app. It's 100% just her personality though. Nothing that she learned to do. I also track her location with it and she likes us knowing whe…

> We actually keep having to remind her to do so because we are texting her with reminders all the time.

Wouldn't a good-old voice call be the logical fix for this?

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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No one can really even define what a Millennial is, or who falls in to Generation Y/Z. Even "who is a Boomer?", and the tropes of what a Boomer is, fail when looking at my anecdotal data. Also often activist children are heavily influenced by their activist parents. Generational classification and "analysis" is almost as bad as stereotypes.

This comment is being down-voted, and I sort of understand why, as it comes off as overly abrasive. Obviously demographers use different years to define generations depending on the study. But I think the last part about stereotyping is worth discussion, even if the comment is overly abrasive. I was born in a year that traditionally was generally not considered "millennial" by demographers, but since it also did not…

You might like: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-were-wat...

It's definitely some level of stereotyping, but there definitely appears to be a divide with friends (especially from college) who are a few years older than me, and those who are a few years younger. The older group finished college and entered the work force just as the internet was really beginning to churn, when it was interesting but not necessary, when it was still easy to ignore the digital world socially and economically. As a result they seem to be much less plugged in online than my friends who are just a few years younger.

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My wife (who is a primary school teacher) was saying that a kid in her school was taking photos with her watch. She didn't even know watches could do that and it means they are going to have to rewrite school policies (currently phones are banned in school because of safeguarding/photos without consent)

do they allow laptops and tablets in school? seems like a "no camera" policy would require the school to provide any electronic devices itself. or I guess they could just not have computers at all; it worked back in the day.

Only school ones are allowed (it's a primary school so kids 11 and under). Which means any photos taken don't leave the device

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No one can really even define what a Millennial is, or who falls in to Generation Y/Z. Even "who is a Boomer?", and the tropes of what a Boomer is, fail when looking at my anecdotal data. Also often activist children are heavily influenced by their activist parents. Generational classification and "analysis" is almost as bad as stereotypes.

Millennial is anyone 35 or younger.

As the namesake suggests, "millenials" are ideally people who were young-adults around the 00's. That generally means born from the early/mid 80's to mid-90's.

Gen z were/are young adults during the '10s. Gen alpha will be young adults during the '20s.

Generally a person's pre-teen/teen/early 20's are very formative so the shared experiences that a generation will have probably do form a real connective tissue within the age cohort that separates them from those with different experiences. A binary (anyone less than x years old is a y) isn't so useful to describe such a phenomenon.

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