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Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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This is hilarious to me, how this site is so badly laid out and has so many rendering bugs.

It's not a bug, it's a feature. Prepending 4 spaces is intended to be used for posting source code, where automatic line wrapping is undesirable.

Note: on HN, just two spaces marks off code.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Most collisions don’t happen at highway speeds and the crash tests are designed accordingly.

Yes, but collisions below 60km/h got quite survivable back in nineties. Airbag, seatbelt with pretensioner, rigid cabin, and some crumple zone is all it takes to survive a crash below that speed. For a healthy, non overweight person, below 40, survival rates already close to 85%-90%. The reason I'm ringing an alarm here is that survival rates began to slide back since mid naughties exactly because of the trend for mo…

I think both sides here are right. there have been considerable advances in safety technology in the last 20 years, especially in avoidance systems. these improvements have unfortunately been counteracted by larger and larger vehicle sizes, which make everyone less safe on the road.

interestingly the larger vehicles represent a tragedy of the commons, where individuals feel safer in heavier SUVs but overall society is much worse off. If all SUVs were traded for sedans crash survivability would improve about 35% on average.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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I get why Tesla gets the flak from analysts, it being a public company; But I rarely see an analyst speak about Tesla's impressive record in building safe cars. Especially when there are car manufacturers who try to hide flaws which can lead to catastrophic malfunction or had been caught with cheat devices for emissions test. Also one more thing which is less talked about is Tesla's autopilot being useful for people…

That's pronbably because Tesla has an impressive record of overstating how safe their cars are. Notice how this is the first Tesla car to qualify for Top Safety Pick+? That's not because the Model S wasn't tested, it's because it didn't qualify - and Tesla went ahead and claimed it was the safest car on the market based on a dubious interpretation of the much more limited NHTSA tests which was rejected by the NHTSA t…

Related IIHS ratings where it failed to achieve the award criteria: https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-s-4-door-ha... https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/Tesla/model-s-4-door-ha...

Other cars like Chevrolet Volt and Toyota Prius scored better.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Well when I looked at it a bit later, I was unable to edit the original comment. Kind of makes the point moot don't you think?

You didn't see/care how the post looked for several hours?

Of all of the hills to die on, you picked a pretty lousy one. Excuse me for casually browsing HN between doing actual real work. I guess not all of us can do HN fulltime.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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You didn't see/care how the post looked for several hours?

Internet comments are usually fire-and-forget.

Especially on HN, which does a poor job of letting you know that someone has replied to your comment.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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What’s with the attitude? He said he was wrong and the child comment fixed the issue. No need to castigate him.

Just surprised how people are able to miss this. SEJeff in particular has been a member since 2012 and has 7500 karma, and somehow never saw a post that looked unreadable because of blockquote, including his own.

I hope your mood improves soon. No one should have to be as bitter as you are right now.

I don't mean this in jest, I really do hope that you find some peace.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Static load is a nice number, but that's not what car safety test should be about - car crash is a rather violent dynamic event. I guess most common situation is rolling of the car, with possible stop at some wall with roof absorbing most of the impact. I am not sure tests of such an event would be still so favorable. Or to put it differently - that's an impressive achievement of a situation that will never happen to…

Ask literally anyone who's been in a horrific wreck in a tesla and walked away. They're incredibly safe vehicles. There have been some pretty insane examples of this, such as this one: https://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/06/tesla-model-s-crash-germ...

Go to the Subaru forums and you get similar examples. Modern cars are generally very safe.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Internet comments are usually fire-and-forget.

Especially on HN, which does a poor job of letting you know that someone has replied to your comment.

FWIW, someone made a tool that emails you if your comment gets a reply.

http://www.hnreplies.com/

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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Whenever you see someone showing a brief and incomplete window of data, you have to take a step back and ask yourself "why?". There is seldomly a case for you to just disregard newer data when trying to predict into the future. That being said, this is simply a Tesla short that used incomplete (but true in the past) statistics to try and make Tesla look bad. They time boxed their statistics to 2016 and despite the po…

Just to approach this from another angle: Teslas currently make up about 0.1% (very very roughly) of all cars in the US. From that, you’d expect around 40 fatalities per year, and increasing fast.

I doubt the extrapolation is that simple. Most fatal wrecks happen to people who are unlikely to be owning an expensive EV.

Re: Tesla earns its first-ever safety award from IIHS for Model 3

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> "Vehicles with alternative powertrains have come into their own," IIHS Chief Research Officer David Zuby says. "There's no need to trade away safety for a lower carbon footprint when choosing a vehicle." I would guess this is not the real reason. EV's have a much bigger crumple zone and can therefor absorb more energy. Since "nobody" wants to hear that EV's are saver than combustion engine cars, lets put them into…

In the case of Tesla (and presumably other “skateboard” platforms) they also have an extremely stiff floor, which dramatically improves side impact performance.
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