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In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

Yikes why would you not want companies investing in diversity? Especially if they are the interface to our online world?

Because diversity in the tech world isn't real. Just read about Brendan Eich. He got fired because he had the incorrect opinion.

In my world, that is the complete opposite of diversity.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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It's something a person would say with a salary depending on ads. Who likes tracking and popups? TV programming butchered? Endless garbage in the mail? Come on.

In the same way that nobody likes taxes, traffic stops, or insurance salesmen, but almost anyone sees their necessity, things can be beneficial without being enjoyable .

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share, please consider doing the following: 1. Evangelize Firefox to people you know any chance you get and show them all the reasons why its better than Chrome (focus on privacy as an important point). Show them how great browsing can be with a few key extensions (like uBlock Origin, Containers, Privacy Possum, etc.). This does not imply that Mo…

> Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share I used to be one of these people but I am no longer. I have switched my default browser from Firefox to Brave since I cannot withstand Mozillas bullshit anymore. Not only is it a complete joke that firefox put Google Analytics on their privacy pages but their actions of "wokeness" in which they fired Brendan Eich and all their diversity s…

One of your points is that Mozilla is using Google Analytics on privacy pages so you switched to a browser powered by Google?

Where will your donation go now if not to Mozilla?

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Yikes why would you not want companies investing in diversity? Especially if they are the interface to our online world?

I suppose if he wanted to donate to a diversity campaign, he'd donate to one directly. Wikipedia is a big one for this: the donation campaign is all about 'keeping our servers running', and then huge chunks of the spending goes on community feelgood stuff. I've nothing against diversity campaigning but if you were to treat donation like any other 'purchase' you'd be pretty miffed if you thought you were ordering a ch…

Orders and purchases are different from donations and gifts.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Switched to Firefox a few months back. Havn’t missed Chrome at all

I would like that as well but I am watching youtube and debbuging angular applications. So I still have to use chrome for those things. I do my gmail via thunderbird.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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That's what I do too. I believe that the more the people who don't tolerate this nonsense (and tell others to do likewise when possible), the quicker we can achieve positive change for everyone. And by "positive change" I mean challengers to Chrome and Google's attitude of bulldozing things (including invading privacy).

That doesn't convey to site owners /why/ you left. You need to tell them. From their perspective they'll just see an even lower percentage of Firefox users and maybe make even less effort to support it.

Might be mean but tying up their support costs with browser compatibility complaints would make it obvious to them.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

I get the desire to fund one specific project directly (like I get to do with Mozilla Thunderbird where I know I'm donating to that project directly) or at least have part of one's donations go to the development of Firefox. But it doesn't seem like that's possible at all. I have edited my comment above to reflect that. I personally value everything that Mozilla Foundation does (including diversity campaigns) and wou…

Donations have a nice way of revealing value misalignment between the donating and receiving party. Like e.g. I'd like to donate to Firefox, maaaybe Thunderbird, but not Pocket or diversity campaigns. Money is technically fungible, but that works only if it's enough of unassigned money - if N dollars get donated "for Firefox" and then Firefox development receives less than N dollars, I'd feel cheated as a "for Firefox" donor.

Anyway, I can see this being inconvenient for Mozilla. But it is desirable for some users. I don't see how it is defeatist, and it's not unfair either - donors can say, "we want to give money for specific purposes", and Mozilla can accept or refuse. Neither outcome is unfair to anyone; donations are still voluntary transactions.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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All widespread forms of online payment require proof of identity and hence take away all anonymity and all privacy. Even after many years of debates and experiments, there is still no practical way to do anonymous micropayments. And I doubt there ever will be, because governments will always want to regulate payments. So direct payment for content will very likely end up being yet another stronghold of all-powerful g…

Good point. Not at all a fan of cryptocurrencies but would a cryptocurrency like Montero be of help here?

Only if you believe that governments would ever let businesses receive hundreds of billions per year without any proof of who or where the payer was.

In my view, these schemes will only be tolerated as long as they are tiny enough to fly under the radar.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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In the same way that nobody likes taxes, traffic stops, or insurance salesmen, but almost anyone sees their necessity, things can be beneficial without being enjoyable .

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I gladly pay tax, and for other services. Paying tax is part of being a citizen of a country.

Don't need salesmen though as they are dishonest for their own self interest.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

Money is fungible. You could donate simply to keep them afloat regardless of their campaigns, in acknowledgement that the sum total of their activities is a massive positive that doesn't need nitpicking. Otherwise, you can recruit and hire someone to write the features you approve of.

Money is fungible only if there's more money in each budget than money donated for that budget. If there was total $N donations explicitly marked "for Firefox", but Firefox budget could only use $M < $N, then the remaining $(N - M) isn't free to be reallocated to a different budget.
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