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Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by dang »

twirlock wrote: post #46
dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

Is there a single place left on the internet where we don't have to hear from some shill defending some corporation as the top comment on everything?

Please don't break the site guidelines by insinuating astroturfing or shillage without evidence. A user posting an opposing view is not evidence.

This is an important rule. I've written at length about it, if anyone wants explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by Znafon »

jfk13 wrote: post #53
Znafon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! And Kubrick knew this: for "2001: A Space Odyssey" he bought the right of "Also Sprach Zarathustra" directed by Böhm and replaced it at the last minute by the one directed by Karajan hoping no one would notice.

Citation? That doesn't seem to match the story as given in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(soundtr... , for example.

There is some reference to this in French:

> Les droits d'enregistrement de Karajan n'étant pas disponibles, c'est la version de Karl Böhm, avec l'orchestre philharmonique de Vienne, qui fut créditée au générique. Mais au cours de la postproduction, Kubrick remplaça discrètement l'enregistrement de Böhm par celui de Karajan et personne ne le remarqua3.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainsi_parlait_Zarathoustra_(St...

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by modzu »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #98
modzu wrote: post #96

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"generate every possible sequence of notes" do you have any idea how many songs that would be? your computer won't be finished in this lifetime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_explosion

When constrain the search space based on commonly-used scales in Western music the space collapses dramatically. Given that there have been successful copyright claims made on short phrases I think the idea of exhausting the search space for popular western music becomes a lot more plausible.

the actual computation was left as an exercise for the reader, but the issue is not the length of the scales, it is how they can be combined. take 10 notes and combine them in 16 ways. two small numbers, but how long to count to all 10^16 possiblities? or rephrased: how many days in 10 quadrillion seconds?

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by Gibbon1 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #60
wbhart wrote: post #52

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I assume you are being facetious. Rousseau doesn't owe anything to any publisher. Just checking you understood this.

I am being facetious, but I daresay a lot of people who work in the publishing industry sincerely believe that viewpoint. I believe we're living in a time when publishers are becoming increasingly irrelevant. They're clawing onto anything they can to retain their position as middlemen and as a tax on commerce.

Years ago read a music exec claim that 'republishing' content should re-extend copyright.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by twirlock »

dang wrote: post #101
twirlock wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a single place left on the internet where we don't have to hear from some shill defending some corporation as the top comment on everything?

Please don't break the site guidelines by insinuating astroturfing or shillage without evidence. A user posting an opposing view is not evidence. This is an important rule. I've written at length about it, if anyone wants explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Because me calling out how your site is a marketing platform for SMMs is definitely the risky behavior compared to enabling 24/7 propaganda from the wannabe priesthood. That's definitely the false positive you should be concerned about.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by Brian_K_White »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #91
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #89

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We don't necessarily disagree, but what bothers me is when people blame Google for this, as opposed to focusing on the draconian laws that have forced their hand.

poor Google, making billions of dollars out of other people's work with an automated system where it's impossible to talk to a real person. feel real bad for them

Poor me for the results our idiotic laws have produced. I do in fact feel real bad for me.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by TeMPOraL »

la_barba wrote: post #84
donmcronald wrote: post #79

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The cheaters and liars need to be penalized. If they're spending others' money they won't stop trying.

>The cheaters and liars need to be penalized. You want Google to adjudicate on more things?! Now you're going to need an appeals process for when they get it wrong here as well.

They already are, this is the same process and it already has an (ineffective) form of appeals. The suggestion is only to add cost to it to disincentivize abuse.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #106
TremendousJudge wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

poor Google, making billions of dollars out of other people's work with an automated system where it's impossible to talk to a real person. feel real bad for them

Poor me for the results our idiotic laws have produced. I do in fact feel real bad for me.

These laws didn't appear out of the blue, they're created and lobbied for by rich companies making money off copyright. Blaming Google for facilitating further abuse of copyright laws is a fair thing to do, and frankly, the unlikely event in which Google uses its money to put pressure towards fixing these laws is still more likely than the laws getting fixed because "we the people" somehow coordinated enough on the issue.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by TeMPOraL »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #19
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #18

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The usual canard is: Google is a private Corp and can do whatever the hell they want. The real problem is that tech companies are monopolies and oligopolies and they hide behind "The people can just leave if they want". The end result is that monopolies beget and work with other monopolies to strengthen each other. So we see YouTube working with RIAA and MPAA on non-DMCA underhandedness and what is clearly fair use (…

I think the real problem is no one (or not enough people) want to pay for a service that hosts user uploaded video, filters each and every one accurately for illegal/copyrighted content, and then is able to serve it worldwide 24/7 instantaneously. That’s the reason I think no alternative service has sprouted up.

That's just another reason to consider advertising-funded services as fundamentally anticompetitive and get rid of them.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by jasonjayr »

fireattack wrote: post #25
jasonjayr wrote: post #5

https://twitter.com/hyperionrecords/status/11623845149849477... From @hyperionrecords regarding a recent unrelated incident. Hyperion's content is the one making the claim against Rousseau's video. They seem aware that ContentID often misidentifies claims, but there doesn't seem to be a public statement on what they proactively can or will do to help fix it.

I'm not sure what to fix. Let's give the benefit of the doubt to Google and say they're constantly revising their algorithms; even then, due to the sheer amount of video uploaded to YouTube every day, there will be some of them that are misidentified, it's simply unavoidable IMHO. I think the improvement can be made on the smoothness and speed of disputing/reviewing these claim, though. This process should be as shor…

I didn't notice the timeline of the OP's post, but they could pressure Youtube to implement something that requires manual review before action is taken, instead of automatic action. Especially with a genre that typically has lots of similar recordings of out-of-copyright compositions.
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