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Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by marmadukester39 »

scarejunba wrote: post #86
vfc1 wrote: post #80

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No other country can plant a rainforest the size of Amazonia, come on that does not make sense. The Amazonia rainforest is unique and cannot be replaced, I don't get how the rate that it's getting tore down to plant soy crops for cattle feed to allow for the production of cheap meat is not alarming to anyone.

If you want the rainforest to remain, then pay for it to remain. Otherwise, let those who own the rainforest use the rainforest.

Who says any human should “own” a rainforest?

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by marmadukester39 »

marble-drink wrote: post #91
Scarblac wrote: post #44

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The US burns by far the most fossil fuel per capita. If any country needs to be sanctioned for causing climate change, it's the US.

Yeah. Even Europeans are shocked at the level of consumption in the US. Driving absolutely everywhere. Air conditioning everywhere keeping the buildings colder than necessary. Heating keeping them warmer than necessary. All plastic packaging is twice as thick and there's twice as much of it. Eating enough food to maintain an overweight/obese body. It's an extremely wasteful society. If we as a species are going to do…

We are all in the same boat. If Brasil decides to smash holes in their side too, we all drown.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

jeanlucas wrote: post #99
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #97

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I can't speak for all nations, but certainly here in northern Europe, NGOs and others have worked for decades on preservation efforts, in concert with local organizations. Deforestation (especially the Amazon rainforest) has been a high priority for conservation and environmental efforts for decades. So please don't think that we only started caring about Amazonia because a person with disagreeable politics was elect…

>So please don't think that we only started caring about Amazonia because a person with disagreeable politics was elected recently. Deforestation affects everyone, it's a global issue. That is not my point, let me go further, some mining companies from those countries used this political position to lobby themselves and continue to operate in the forest, and they are "untouchable" despite polluting the area (check my…

I am in no way defending the corporations who are exploiting Amazonia and have been doing it for years. This exploitation has increased massively during the current presidency.

Environmental orgs and groups have been working against these companies for decades, no matter which government has been in power. It goes beyond partisan politics, we consider it a global issue way beyond petty political squabbles.

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Post by V3ritas1337 »

jeanlucas wrote: post #73
emblaegh wrote: post #19

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I can be proven wrong, but I don't think it's poor farmers who are responsible for the deforestation of the Amazon. It's mostly big latifund owners with lots of lobbying power.

Gonna scream that one here: mining, look at norwegian and international companies mining in the middle of the forest. Plus previous administrations actions, like a giant power plant that will divert one of the biggest rivers over there.

mining only equates for roughly 10% of the deforestation of the amazon rainforest, we should be looking at the meat industry, it equates for roughly 75% - 80% of deforestation.

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Post by piva00 »

sprafa wrote: post #67
Hitton wrote: post #64

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I consider such approach rather oppressive and reeking of colonialism attitudes. It sounds like: "Fuck Brasil, let's ban them from using their natural resources, while we happily keep using ours". There is literally no reason why other countries countries couldn't plant more forests to enhance their carbon depositions, now Brasil thanks to their rainforests does more of biosequestration than any other country on Eart…

IT is colonialist, patronizing, and evil. The US and the "developed" world have set course for self annihilation and the US in particular has done nothing to solve its own path by leaving the Paris Agreement. But hey let's blame Brasil, easier than solving our own problems.

Why are you so defensive about all of this?

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Post by adrianN »

isostatic wrote: post #108
adrianN wrote: post #98

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I'd support it, I don't know about the public.

Say that you're planning to increase the cost of food and see how well it goes down

Say that you're protecting domestic farmers from international competition that drives prices down by literally burning down one of the most precious ecosystems on Earth and see how well that goes down.
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