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Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by hobofan »

auggierose wrote: post #78
hobofan wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications that can't be dismissed or are recurring without a way to turn them off are one of the most annoying things about current operating systems, and Apple is one of the worst offenders. On my Macbook, I currently get: - A request to log in to Facetime every time I restart it (I've never used Facetime, and don't intend to, and have lost access to my AppleId) - A daily recurring notification to update my OS,…

Seriously, running an Apple OS without an Apple ID doesn't make any sense.

I haven't had any of those problems before Mojave. No Facetime bugging me, updates were no problem, and there was an easy terminal command to turn off the disk space notification.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by seltzered_ »

judge2020 wrote: post #3

So Apple's take is probably: A bunch of people get mad when their iPhones stop working, start running slow, etc; research data shows that when they need a battery replaced, they're more likely to go to the local third party (non-authorized) repair shop and get it replaced. We have no idea how skilled or unskilled these repair shops are, even if they use genuine Apple batteries. Our best bet for maintaining the reputa…

I’d like to second the take on water resistance/ waterproofing. I overheard someone at a pool yesterday who bought a used iPhone that died after getting in the water with it. He mentioned buying it used. From my experience the water resistance is a very thin line of sticky black stuff that is easy to mess up after opening an iPhone. Im assuming the better repair shops use sticker sheets of new seal whenever a phone is opened.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by CaptainZapp »

kemayo wrote: post #11

> By activating a dormant software lock on their newest iPhones, Apple is effectively announcing a drastic new policy: only Apple batteries can go in iPhones, and only they can install them. I really dislike the phrasing attached to this story. It's not a lock: a third party installed battery still works , the phone isn't refusing to start up until you go to an Apple Store and have an authentic Apple(tm) battery inst…

They specify that in the next paragraph explicitly that the phones are not bricked.

That very next paragraph, which you omit in your "quote".

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by deergomoo »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #96
deergomoo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They deliberately design new proprietary adapters, eschewing already popular and capable standards, in new devices They have one proprietary connector across all of their products that they sell, and that’s Lightning. Lightning is seven years old, was launched at a time when the alternative would be the god-awful microUSB connector, and all rumours point towards it being phased out completely for USB-C in the next…

Lightning, sure. How about firewire, and thunderbolt, and the 30-pin connectors for the iPod? Have you also forgotten their proprietary SSD connectors - SATA compatible but with a non-M.2 socket. Or ADC, a proprietary pinout for what's effectively a DVI cable? Or AAUI? Mini-VGA and Mini-DVI? Apple has been doing this for longer than I've been alive. I'm happy that they're phasing it out in favor of USB-C - this is a…

> firewire

FireWire was very much standardised (IEEE 1394), and was co-developed by other companies. It wasn’t some obscure thing that only existed on Apple stuff. They also haven’t shipped a computer with FireWire in about six years I think?

> thunderbolt

Again, Thunderbolt isn’t even a primarily Apple-developed technology, it’s Intel. Plenty of computers ship with Thunderbolt 3 ports today, and a couple of years ago Intel dropped the royalty that used to be required.

> proprietary SSD connectors

Agreed that this one sucks.

> 30-pin connectors for the iPod, ADC, AAUI, Mini-VGA, Mini DVI

Nothing on that list has shipped for years, in some cases decades. The comment I replied to says they do this “in new devices”, but that is just not the case and hasn’t been for a good while now.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending their practices over repair. I strongly disagree with their actions to politically extinguish the types of law that would force them to make it easier for people to repair their stuff.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by Jgrubb »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #103
kemayo wrote: post #11

> By activating a dormant software lock on their newest iPhones, Apple is effectively announcing a drastic new policy: only Apple batteries can go in iPhones, and only they can install them. I really dislike the phrasing attached to this story. It's not a lock: a third party installed battery still works , the phone isn't refusing to start up until you go to an Apple Store and have an authentic Apple(tm) battery inst…

They specify that in the next paragraph explicitly that the phones are not bricked . That very next paragraph, which you omit in your "quote".

this is some next level irony. Read the sentence he wrote after the first one.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by tomxor »

This is such a bad article, I half suspect it's astroturfing and food intended for Apple apologists. It's focused on a single small part of the problem and unnecessarily misrepresented it.

As a reminder of the broader picture: Apple has a strong anti-repair stance, they have lobbied for this [1], have engaged in broad, deceptive strategies to remove 3rd party repair options, by confiscating legally refurbished hardware under the guise of "counterfeits" [2], attempting to confiscate grey market parts under the guise of "trademark violation" and threatening the 3rd party repair shops [3]. They profit from this continued attack by deceiving customers into expensive unnecessary part replacements, suggesting repair is not possible and generally coercing customers into buying new products instead [4].

[1] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180126/07355539089/apple...

[2] https://boingboing.net/2018/10/20/louis-rossman.html

[3] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3yadk/apple-sued-an-inde...

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2_SZ4tfLns

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by rimliu »

godelski wrote: post #4
judge2020 wrote: post #3

So Apple's take is probably: A bunch of people get mad when their iPhones stop working, start running slow, etc; research data shows that when they need a battery replaced, they're more likely to go to the local third party (non-authorized) repair shop and get it replaced. We have no idea how skilled or unskilled these repair shops are, even if they use genuine Apple batteries. Our best bet for maintaining the reputa…

I disagree with this sentiment. You mention Rossmann. Anyone that watches his channel knows that Apple purposefully makes things hard to repair. Things could be easier if they wanted them to be. But it's clear that Apple doesn't want devices repaired. See Rossmann talk about prices and how often the genius bar just suggests replacement. As for third party repair, it isn't Apples fault if a third party repairs a phone…

  > Anyone that watches his channel knows that Apple
  > purposefully makes things hard to repair.
Anyone that watches his channel knows _that he claims_ that Apple purposefully makes things hard to repair.

Not the most trustworthy person anyway.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by rimliu »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #33

Lots of Apple apologists in this thread. (1) They deliberately design new proprietary adapters, eschewing already popular and capable standards, in new devices - to sell you more shit (2) They remove support for existing standards (e.g. headphone jacks) - to sell you more shit (3) They file lawsuits against third-party repair providers who do a demonstrably better job than first-party repairs - to sell you more shit…

  > They remove support for existing standards (e.g. headphone
  > jacks) - to sell you more shit
Except that your phone comes with already compatible earbuds.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by rimliu »

mister_hn wrote: post #83

People hasn't understood yet that even if they pay over $1500 for a phone, they're still not the owner of that hardware. And this concept is already deep integrated in Smart TVs or all other IoT gadgets around there. Fortunately, we have still some choices, concerning PCs, but on the Apple side, the war is lost

Not sure about you, but I am the owner.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by benzoate »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #96
deergomoo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They deliberately design new proprietary adapters, eschewing already popular and capable standards, in new devices They have one proprietary connector across all of their products that they sell, and that’s Lightning. Lightning is seven years old, was launched at a time when the alternative would be the god-awful microUSB connector, and all rumours point towards it being phased out completely for USB-C in the next…

Lightning, sure. How about firewire, and thunderbolt, and the 30-pin connectors for the iPod? Have you also forgotten their proprietary SSD connectors - SATA compatible but with a non-M.2 socket. Or ADC, a proprietary pinout for what's effectively a DVI cable? Or AAUI? Mini-VGA and Mini-DVI? Apple has been doing this for longer than I've been alive. I'm happy that they're phasing it out in favor of USB-C - this is a…

To my knowledge those described have some distinct advantage over what was available on the market at the time. Firewire was way faster, ADC carries USB, Thunderbolt is connected to PCIe, mini-vga and mini-dvi are self explanatory and their proprietary SATA like connection was, again, way faster.
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