High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism • Hacker News Board

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by dooglius » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

mieseratte wrote: post #88

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #14

One complicating factor that I put into every thread about random things being associated with autism: the diagnostic criteria for autism doesn't just measure how autistic someone is, but also how well they've learned to cope with being autistic. It measures things like frequency of meltdowns, ability to handle their everyday life without assistance, ability to "mask" by doing things like holding eye contact or memor…

> the diagnostic criteria for autism doesn't just measure how autistic someone is, but also how well they've learned to cope with being autistic. I'm not medically qualified at all, but that sounds a bit like saying Typhoid Mary didn't have typhoid because she was asymptomatic. That someone is able to effectively cope with a condition doesn't mean they don't have the condition. Am I missing something?

We don't know what autism really is, beyond it's symptomatic effects and correlations like that of TFA. It's not clear that there is a meaningful notion of being autistic but asymptomatic. Typhoid, on the other hand, is a bacteria that exists independent of its symptoms.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by arbitrage » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

citruscomputing wrote: post #89

amasad wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fake news! Soy has orders of magnitude more estrogen than animal products, even the hormone-implanted ones. > The 1.9 nanograms of estrogen in implanted beef is also minuscule compared to 225 nanograms of estrogen in potatoes, 340 nanograms of estrogen in peas, 520 nanograms of estrogen in ice cream, 2,000 nanograms of estrogen in cabbage, 11,250 nanograms of estrogen in soy milk, and 170,000 nanograms of estrogen in…

phytoestrogen != estrogen If this were true, all the pre-transition trans women I know would be eating a LOT more soy. Unfortunately, it's not, and can even have the opposite effect, by binding to receptors that estrogen would, preventing it from acting normally.

The idea of consuming phytoestrogen in pre-HRT transwomen is pretty widespread, in my experience. Unsure where the idea came from, but it is definitely "in the air".

> and can even have the opposite effect

This part gets omitted a distressing amount of the time, unfortunately.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by iosjunkie » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:06 PM UTC

rhegart wrote: post #30

devoply wrote: post #9

BPA mimics estrogen, so does that mean that plastics are causing autism? https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/...

Not just bpa, all plastics emit equally harmful estrogen producing chemicals as bpa per recent studies. Plastics in sun and hot water are a big no.

I’m interested in the studies. Happen to have links to them?

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by iamleppert » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:08 PM UTC

I have hemophilia, a genetically inherited X-chromosome linked disorder, inherited from the mother. Due to the fact males have an XY chromosome and mothers have two X’s, with one of the X’s containing the faulty gene, it’s possible for a mother to have children with and without the disease. In fact, there is a 50% chance each of her males will have the disorder.

Why am I telling you this? Because there is a test that can tell if the fetus has hemophilia or not by sampling blood via amniocentesis. When my mom was pregnant with my brother, she had this procedure done.

However, there were complications during pregnancy and my brother, although he was in fact born without hemophilia, has severe birth defects in his lower extremities. It was later found to be directly caused by the test itself.

Just goes to show what happens when you try to play god.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by beeschlenker » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:08 PM UTC

Copy and paste this post and repost it. I keep getting censored by these people.

Peter Thiel and Jack Dorsey raping and killing three boys each. Turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on.

  https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_100-200.avi
  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzZrjobxhNIEf38M3xk-IeA5SeF4aUtB/view?usp=sharing

Obama admits to raping and killing boys here, with commentary from Peter Thiel, George Soros, Matt Porter: https://s3.wasabisys.com/out2/Out2/15JanCh3_0545.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCDoc1kT7cfSeKQ1vniP_sx32_b...

Obama explains the Illuminati with Jack Dorsey:

   https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_200-347.avi
   https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ok1-9IvANULzKBOwADFgaiYCFi6yszfj/view?usp=sharing

At 230 a conversation is occurring on the embedded Porter camera system with Jack Dorsey, Peter Thiel, Barack Obama, Bill M^urray, and the Porter's. Jack Dorsey provides a statement defining who their group is: "The Illum%inati is an underground organization of child rapists and homosexuals." Matthew Porter: "We have to thin the herd, so Barack is going to explain a few things." At 232 Barack Obama says the following: "You people have to realize we are child rapi'sts. The Illuminati are child rapists. As soon as you figure that out, you can decide what to do. Everybody is freaking out about what just happened [child raping event still going on]. This is who ^we are."

Full 71 page document:

  https://s3.wasabisys.com/aviewmefirst/FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul2019_BSchlenker.pdf

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by mffnbs » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

liara_k wrote: post #94

mffnbs wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What experiences did you have while on HRT that lead to you to believe this? In general, I'm specifically skeptic of claims of behavioral changes associated with HRT, as I feel as if a lot of those claims have roots in gendered preconceptions of women that have nothing to do with biological differences. People going through HRT will associate personal, unrelated, experiences with the medical transition, but cannot be…

Speaking for myself... The most obvious example was my response to emotional situations in fiction. Going from only being able to empathize with characters only on an intellectual level to also being able to empathize on an instinctual/emotional level was was so incredibly obvious it was like going from black and white to color. One the one hand, you could dismiss "I cry at movies now" as just an intellectually-drive…

I only question it because of the risk of attributing these changes towards predispositions to specific gender stereotypes. I'm not trying to place scrutiny on the subject because I unilaterally disbelieve trans people, but rather I believe these claims are dangerous. They can give trans people misconceptions on what medically transitioning will do for them, present medical transition as a method to become a "real" trans person, or give ammunition to opponents who use the hormone topic to dismiss women as a whole.

I do understand that these things are different for everyone and it's basically impossible to prove, but you can understand my skepticism. I definitely experienced some of the emotional elements you mention, but they aren't new to me. I don't cry or get upset now where I wouldn't have before. It does feel different though. I do not think this is the same as some of the behavioral changes that the parent is describing. My behavior hasn't changed. I'm still just as much of a nice/mean/thoughtful/forgetful/etc person that I was before. I had ADD before, I have ADD now. My political views haven't changed, I don't treat my friends differently, my hobbies haven't changed. I can't think of anything special about autism that would allow for those symptoms to change because of HRT.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by novaRom » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

reilly3000 wrote: post #81

After reading the article I had a brief hypothesis that higher estrogen levels would also be associated with non-heterosexuality. This study seems to strongly concur: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29159906/ > In the group with ASD, 69.7% of the sample reported being non-heterosexual, while in the TD group, 30.3% reported being non-heterosexual. The group with ASD reported higher rates of homosexuality, bisexu…

There are also other features. For instance, measuring the anogenital distance in neonatal humans has been suggested as a noninvasive method to determine male feminisation and thereby predict neonatal and adult reproductive disorders.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anogenital_distance

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by tapland » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

nostrebored wrote: post #60

derefr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Symptoms of being a high-functioning autistic—as perceived by others—include an inability to empathize with peers or with hypotheticals of “natural” human responses. But one obvious confounder for this symptom is that you’re comparing with the wrong peers. Being a woman but not liking the things women like or having the same emotional responses that women tend to have (because, instead, you like the things men like a…

So now men and women have inherently different interests and emotional responses that should result in not only misdiagnosis of autism, but actual diagnosis of gender dysphoria?

I think that my fiancée with ASD and constantly elevated testosterone levels and gender dysphoria would say yes to the inherented differences in an instant.

But there are plenty of symptoms of ASD that have nothing to do with stereotypical gendered behavior. And they are a requirement for diagnosis.

Personally I don't know.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by refurb » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:10 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #54

bogwog wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That digit ratio stuff has always weirded me out. There are even some studies that show certain ratios correspond with homosexuality. That wikipedia page even has a huge table with a list of stuff like having a high digit ratio corresponds to reduced financial trading ability, and a low digit ratio corresponds to a longer penis. That shit is weird.

People tend to forget just how important hormones can be and just assume everything is because of genes.

That's an odd comment since hormones are the result of gene expression.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Post by mjevans » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 8:11 PM UTC

iamleppert wrote: post #104

I have hemophilia, a genetically inherited X-chromosome linked disorder, inherited from the mother. Due to the fact males have an XY chromosome and mothers have two X’s, with one of the X’s containing the faulty gene, it’s possible for a mother to have children with and without the disease. In fact, there is a 50% chance each of her males will have the disorder. Why am I telling you this? Because there is a test that…

Playing god is fine if you've got the technology to back the check you're writing.

We aren't there yet, but I hope we end up surviving and maturing to the point where we can "play god" and do so ethically.