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The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by thedaemon »

formalsystem wrote: post #9

I'm starting to think more and more that people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger. If the main concern is environment I get it and go for it. But if you are claiming that plant based burgers are healthier or tastier you are borderline delusional. Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just in…

The flavor is better than most fast food beef patties to me and I have higher standards than the average person. To each his own my friend. Taste is subjective after all. Some people claim that American Cheese tastes good and is the best cheese. It is not really cheese and it doesn't taste good to me.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

sharx wrote: post #98
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I really cannot believe we eat animals I don't understand this. We are animals. Why is it specially prohibited to us that we eat other animals? Note also that, as animals, we are not plant-eaters: we can't survive on plant matter alone. We are made [1] to eat other animals. We are omnivores, yes? So why is it unethical for us, specifically, to eat other animals when it's not unethical for other animals? __________…

The way I see it, we've exited the food chain. We systematically breed and "process" animals for consumption in astounding numbers. Also meat makes up a much larger proportion of the modern American diet than it did for our early ancestors.

I don't understand how "exiting the food chain" is possible when we still eat other living things. How do you mean that?

Also- what does amount have to do with ethics? If it is unethical to eat meat then it is unethical to eat any meat at all.

Is your comment only about the ethics of meat eating in America (I think you mean the US)? The rest of the world also eats plenty of meat.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by soperj »

moreranchplease wrote: post #33
soperj wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same way about vegetables. I know other animals do it all the time, but when you add them up all the plant deaths are horrific.

It is, unfortunately the majority of plants die at the hands of livestock. To reduce the needless killing of plants, improve your health and the environment is surprise.... to eat less or no meat.

>unfortunately the majority of plants die at the hands of livestock

Exactly, so if we kill the livestock and eat it, then less plants will suffer.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by pcstl »

While I am all for the end of the beef industry, I don't think it's happening until we get actual synthetic lab-produced animal tissue.

It's great that we have companies like Beyond Meat and Impossible working on this - this is the work that will eventually lead to the meat industry going away for good, or at least becoming a niche industry - but until we can synthesize actual meat many people will hold out.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by Falling3 »

antisthenes wrote: post #97
Falling3 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a Naturalistic Fallacy. You can justify just about any behavior (theft, murder, rape) by the same reasoning that other animals do it.

First of all, it's called Appeal to Nature fallacy, not Naturalistic fallacy. Second, theft, murder and rape aren't necessary for immediate survival. Also, animals don't commit murder in nature, because the target of the murder has to be a human, and it has to be within the context of human law. Same with rape and theft. In the context of nature those actions are just competition for resources. I'm actually not entir…

First, the Naturalistic Fallacy is a more specific version of Appeal to Nature focused specifically of moral claims rather than just "goodness". But you knew the point, so I'm sure why you felt the need to attempt a correction.

Second, I'll amend my statement to be "theft, rape, and the killing of members of your own species". Murder is a word with many uses, legal and otherwise. But again, my word choice had nothing to do with my point, but you seem intent on getting hung up on pedantry. As for your immediate survival comment, I've never been presented with a situation where my survival depending on eating an animal. Remember - what we're discussing is eating animals, not eating in general.

I think you know exactly what my point what but seem quite intent on purposefully missing it.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by thedaemon »

soperj wrote: post #18
omarhaneef wrote: post #11

I think the part that rings clearly in my head is the ethical part. I really cannot believe we eat animals. I know other animals do it all the time -- and I don't hold it against tigers and lions -- but its still strange to me that we, humans, do it. If you don't feel that strong surprise, then I think the other arguments may or may not work for you. But if you have that sense that it is strange and perhaps off, then…

I feel the same way about vegetables. I know other animals do it all the time, but when you add them up all the plant deaths are horrific.

I'm sorry you have been downvoted for an honest comparison. Plants and animals are all alive. Almost all life sustains itself via consuming other life. This is 100% natural.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by moreranchplease »

Stop eating animals? No? Ok so you’re cool with paying for someone to torture and kill an animal for a meal you’ll forget in minutes. That’s Fucked up but surely you care about the environment and how animal agriculture is the single biggest thing you can do to preserve what we have left of this world. No? Wow so you’re incredibly selfish and and lack empathy. Impressive. I guess then without a doubt you care about your own health. Eating more plants and less meat will make you feel better and live longer. Ahh not gonna do that either.

It’s honestly impressive how far up their own ass people have their heads.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by simonsarris »

dashundchen wrote: post #10
monksy wrote: post #2

This whole submarine vegan agenda is annoying. Yes, people will choose to go with the artificial beef. No it's not going to replace beef. It's a subsitute. A few things: 1. Cows are not optimized to make meat: Animals aren't a food factory. Animals eat other animals. We are animals and happen to have a wide variety of what we can eat 2. There are distinct benefits from eating meat (vitamins), in which it's incredibly…

In the article the author talks about eating both a beef burger and cheese, so I don't think he has a "vegan agenda". > 2. There are distinct benefits from eating meat (vitamins), in which it's incredibly inefficient from getting them from plants Raising meat with today's common production methods (feed lots) is incredibly inefficient. In fact, a plant based diet can meet all nutritional requirements with just B12 vi…

There is vastly more than B12 at stake with vegan diets.

https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/micronutrients-mental-health/

Almost by definition it would be weird if vegan diets were not diets full of deficiencies, since they do not partake in wide amounts of food groups eaten for at least millenia. (And we have no record of any vegan societies, though a few vegetarian -ish ones.)

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by tailrecursion »

Has Nina Teicholz's book been debunked? I see comments here that appear to assume that these meat substitutes (Beyond Meat) are more healthy than beef -- is that really true? Animal meat is scientifically reported to be extremely nutritious compared to plants, and dietary fat has been a main part of diets around the world and continues to be so in e.g. French cuisine.
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