Earlier quoted context omitted.
No easy way to plot this - planting trees to sequester CO2 may or may not have a net positive impact at scale for a variety of reasons: 1) The timescale is very long - a single tree to drive carbon neutrality is MOST optimistically pegged at 40 - 100 years depending on species. With expanding populations planning or guaranteeing execution on that time scale is limited. AKA it's very unlikely that most efforts, unless…
How is using wood as a building material bad? I would think that putting carbon into our walls and patios would be as good a place as any to keep it out of the atmosphere?
Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
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Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#102Could we plant trees in parking lots? A law must be made. In the US especially West Coast (Seattle) for example and also in Germany a lot of flat space has been taken by parking lots. Its actually crazy seeing these huge parking lots. Could we plant verticle wines and change the geometry (introducing gradients to add area for a tree - simple pythogoras concept) to add space for at least a tree per car slot or maybe a…
Writing laws to ensure outcomes with trees is hard. Our old suburban community, generally covered in mature trees, made rules that if a developer is going to tear down a house and build a new one the trees must all be inventoried, only a minimal number are allowed to be removed, the rest get fences around their drip lines for the duration of construction to protect their roots and at the end they are checked to make sure they weren't injured. Significant fines are involved for accidentally taking a tree… So now before a homeowner sells their property to a developer they "do a little landscaping" i.e. cut down all the trees except maybe some small ones on the lot lines. Problem solved!
Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#103I did a rough spreadsheet some time back based on this 1998 EPA carbon sequestration worksheet [1] and found that an average person from a high carbon output country needs about 600-1000 trees to offset their carbon output. There are about 3 trillion trees for a population of 7 billion people for an average of 428 trees per person, so that means you have to make up the delta of about 172 to 572 trees over the course…
That's only about a tree every 5-20 weeks. So about once a month to about twice a year.
Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#104I did a rough spreadsheet some time back based on this 1998 EPA carbon sequestration worksheet [1] and found that an average person from a high carbon output country needs about 600-1000 trees to offset their carbon output. There are about 3 trillion trees for a population of 7 billion people for an average of 428 trees per person, so that means you have to make up the delta of about 172 to 572 trees over the course…
So for a one time $600 donation ($1/tree [1]) I can be a carbon neutral person for life? Seems like a bargain. Am I missing something? [1] https://www.nationalforests.org/get-involved/tree-planting-p...
Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
This got voted down in a hurry. Every point seems valid and robust, so why?
If you look at his further posts, his positions are fabricated worst case scenario. For example he suggests that there is no point in planting trees because you're going to drive there in your SUV and then come home and run your AC. This might be true for some people, but it's not for me as my house doesn't have AC and I don't own an SUV. I car pool or drive a prius to plant trees. Also we're not planting trees in pl…
Also, do you keep track of the trees to make sure they actually grow? Just planting the seed or even a sapling is far from sufficient to ensure that carbon sequestration occurs. Young trees are food for a variety of animals and insects. Do you know what fraction of the trees you plant actually reach maturity? I've seen estimates that far fewer than one in five do.
Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#106I did a rough spreadsheet some time back based on this 1998 EPA carbon sequestration worksheet [1] and found that an average person from a high carbon output country needs about 600-1000 trees to offset their carbon output. There are about 3 trillion trees for a population of 7 billion people for an average of 428 trees per person, so that means you have to make up the delta of about 172 to 572 trees over the course…
172-572 tress per lifetime is totally doable! That's only about a tree every 5-20 weeks. So about once a month to about twice a year.
Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#107I did a rough spreadsheet some time back based on this 1998 EPA carbon sequestration worksheet [1] and found that an average person from a high carbon output country needs about 600-1000 trees to offset their carbon output. There are about 3 trillion trees for a population of 7 billion people for an average of 428 trees per person, so that means you have to make up the delta of about 172 to 572 trees over the course…
No easy way to plot this - planting trees to sequester CO2 may or may not have a net positive impact at scale for a variety of reasons: 1) The timescale is very long - a single tree to drive carbon neutrality is MOST optimistically pegged at 40 - 100 years depending on species. With expanding populations planning or guaranteeing execution on that time scale is limited. AKA it's very unlikely that most efforts, unless…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emis...
Displacing fossil-derived electricity with enough low-carbon electricity to supply an air conditioner is more effective than raising the AC temperature one degree or planting a tree.
The key issue is to reduce emissions. Sometimes that necessitates reduced consumption of energy services [1]. But reducing consumption is not sufficient and often not necessary to deeply cut emissions.
If 3 tons of CO2 per capita per year is a sustainable emissions rate, then the US emits at about 550% of the sustainable rate. Even Cuba emits at 107% of the sustainable rate. No polity is going to voluntarily reduce their material standard of living below that of Cuba. And even a super-emitter like the US could reach the sustainable rate with a combination of more efficient energy use and non-fossil (renewable and nuclear) primary energy production substituting for fossils. So I think that "stop burning fossils for air conditioning" is a prescription closer to solving the root problem than "endure a little more discomfort in the air conditioning season."
[1] For example, there is no foreseeable technology that will enable trans-Atlantic passenger flights without burning chemical fuels. Long distance flights could burn synthetic fuels made using non-fossil electricity, but that would raise fuel prices. Whether by fiat or by pricing, long distance air travel will necessarily become less common if/when aviation faces pressure to reduce CO2 emissions.
Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair point. But convincing the entire population of the world to set their thermostat 1 degree higher during the summer months would have a 1000x multiple impact on a 40x shorter time scale than if every one of those people planted a tree. The spirit of my comment is that in general people LOVE the path of least resistance. Ask the average person about combatting climate change and their response is "plant more trees…
You can easily plant 1000 trees to cover some of the people who won't bother, but setting your thermostat 1000 degrees higher in the summer won't do anything more.
Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#109"You should not plant trees on ... grassland that has never been ploughed..." Can anyone shed some light on the reason behind not planting in open grassland?
I found this video on Caledonian reforestation interesting: https://youtu.be/UDtsExXe93Q
Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look at his further posts, his positions are fabricated worst case scenario. For example he suggests that there is no point in planting trees because you're going to drive there in your SUV and then come home and run your AC. This might be true for some people, but it's not for me as my house doesn't have AC and I don't own an SUV. I car pool or drive a prius to plant trees. Also we're not planting trees in pl…
Where do you go to plant trees such that you can be certain the trees won't just be cut down in a few years, and also don't simply displace other trees that would otherwise grow? Also, do you keep track of the trees to make sure they actually grow? Just planting the seed or even a sapling is far from sufficient to ensure that carbon sequestration occurs. Young trees are food for a variety of animals and insects. Do y…