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Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Triads made a deal with PRC? Couldn't be better news for HKers! :-/

It's funny, decades ago China (CCP government) tired to get rid of Triads from Guangdong (especially prostitution and drug trade). They were probably happy Triads focused mostly on HK and Macau (and Taiwan + overseas?).

Now they "need" the Triads.

Also it seems this movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Years_(2015_film) is actually becoming reality.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

#102
post #74
post #42

Excellent analysis here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20492145 The Chinese and HK governments have realized they've lost the culture wars and public opinion so they've resorted to the tried and tested handbook of authoritarian governments, to create a cycle of violence to create justification for cracking down. This is a provocation. Protesters will now counter arm themselves with similar bats and stick…

Non-violent resistance is an option, but it requires very tough attitude. If people would just take the beating and lay down, like Gandhi-led resistance against Brits did, it could break down the violent strategy.

It takes a lot of stamina and courage to resist the provocation. Have people beaten on the streets or rounded up and still give up violence and pray for your oppressors.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Is there a symbolism with the white? Or was it an arbitrary colour? I believe Brown was chosen for the Nazi SA uniforms because they were cheap.

> I believe Brown was chosen for the Nazi SA uniforms because they were cheap. No, it was taken from Harvard's University colors, I believe. > Hanfstaengl composed both Brownshirt and Hitler Youth marches patterned after his Harvard football songs and, he later claimed, devised the chant "Sieg Heil" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Hanfstaengl

"Brown-colored shirts were chosen as the SA uniform because a large number of them were cheaply available after World War I"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

Harvard university is Crimson?

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

#104

Seems like they could use the 2nd amendment there.

The only thing guns would probably achieve right now is that this triade guys would also have guns and would be using them.

Triad thugs have and always had guns. They probably leave them as the last resort.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

#105
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-violent resistance is an option, but it requires very tough attitude. If people would just take the beating and lay down, like Gandhi-led resistance against Brits did, it could break down the violent strategy.

May not work these days. The British were half decent and still they killed thousands of people before they left India. If the protestors continue non-violently, we'll simply see them shot with rubber bullets and carted off, or barricaded and starved out. Countries these days are willing to escalate into violence since every major country has more than enough blood on its hands and prefers tacitly looking the other w…

It may not work, but if the government is willing to escalate without limit other strategies don't work either.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of what you think of 2A, this is exactly the sort of situation it was designed to address. In Hong Kong, you have a completely unarmed population demanding democracy. Being oppressed by an (in the particular case, arguably foreign) government, with a long history of slaughtering unarmed populations who demand democracy.

What if the 60% of US citizens who don't approve of Trump want to overthrow his government ? Would that be part of the 2nd amendment ? Where do you draw the line ?

Nothing about those situations are comparable. The president of the USA is democratically elected. The USA is ruled by its own government, not the government of a foreign country (which a huge amount of Hong Kong citizens view China as), the citizens of Hong Kong don’t want to overthrow their government, they want to protect themselves from clearly oppressive regime, the USA has a rather impressive set of constitutionally guaranteed rights, citizens of the USA have access to a robust legal system.

There is nothing about the situation in Hong Kong that compares to any level of dissatisfaction you believe may exist with a democratically elected government.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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What about the many, many other functioning democracies with incredibly strict gun control?

It is all well and good until they stop functioning. Guns empower people to not sit down and just take it when governments consistentenly abuse their power over a long enough period of time.

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Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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> Chenoweth and Stephan collected data on all violent and nonviolent campaigns from 1900 to 2006 that resulted in the overthrow of a government or in territorial liberation. They created a data set of 323 mass actions. Chenoweth analyzed nearly 160 variables related to success criteria, participant categories, state capacity, and more. The results turned her earlier paradigm on its head — in the aggregate, nonviolent…

This make sense intuitively: governments are better armed than the people (militarized police, military). If guns are used in a conflict between the people and a government, the government will crush the people immediately. On the other hand, enough protests and civil disobedience will disrupt the economy and the functioning of the government to the point they will have to react, or resign. I am not American and have…

>When was the last time a law or policy was successfully fought and turned around in the U.S.?

Prohibition

Civil rights act

Roe v Wade

Gay marriage

Marijuana legalization

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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you need to know the whole chain of events to understand what happened at Yuen Long last night. also you need to know the unique identity of Yuen Long in order to comprehend the situation. Yuen Long is a village of people from several big family names, they are all relatives in a way. have their own system and rules and really hate outsiders telling them what to do. in history, they fought with British, fought with J…

So basically it's ok for the Police to leave an area they were pre-warned will become violent because that district is controlled by thugs and criminals who can basically do what they want?

I think you have a distorted view of what the role of Police is in a society.

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