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Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by jmcqk6 » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 1:19 PM UTC

olah_1 wrote: post #96

jmcqk6 wrote: post #67

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>In many spaces today, being a straight white man is far more inflammatory than being a non-binary person of color. As a straight white man, this is bullshit. I have many close friends who are part of the LGBT community, so I can see their experiences compared to my own. They don't go around "pushing their identity onto people" and neither do I. We're all just normal people trying to build cool things. And I see my e…

How good is your experience in tech if you preface a statement with "as a straight white man..."? I'd say the response would be downright aggressive and you would be silenced. Preface a statement with "as a non-binary person of color..." and you get applause.

My previous comment literally started with the phrase 'as a straight white man', and it received several up votes. Does this website count as tech?

The trick is: don't be an asshole and recognize that other people have different experiences which are just as valid as your own. Every time I've seen someone talking about how it's terrible to be a white man these days, it's because they want to be an asshole to someone and are being told that's wrong. Straight white men who are actually kind and listen to others, seriously considering their opinions don't get much flak for being straight and white. Is this really that difficult to understand?

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by antihero » Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 7:44 AM UTC

Kaiyou wrote: post #68

antihero wrote: post #65

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Ah yes, 4chan, the bastion of respectful and productive online discourse.

I hear they've recently been pushing racist and edgy themes like family cohesion, Christianity and a fatphobic healthy lifestyle with exercise. \s

Such a fun way to spin calling people "degenerates" (literally nazi wording) and promoting a worldview from half a century ago or whatever where people got treated like shit. I mean yeah if you want to be equivalent to a klansmen, I am sure they also promoted "family cohesion" and Christianity.

I was on 4chan many years ago, I went to the Anonymous protests in London. I have thick skin and I know not to take stuff seriously, but in the last few years especially it seems like it's become dominated by /pol/ and people who are legitimately white supremacist traditionalist alt-right scum, because those communities seized upon the edgy culture of /pol/ as it used to be and use it as a channel to push their very real non-ironic toxic politics.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by Kaiyou » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 2:31 PM UTC

antihero wrote: post #102

Kaiyou wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear they've recently been pushing racist and edgy themes like family cohesion, Christianity and a fatphobic healthy lifestyle with exercise. \s

Such a fun way to spin calling people "degenerates" (literally nazi wording) and promoting a worldview from half a century ago or whatever where people got treated like shit. I mean yeah if you want to be equivalent to a klansmen, I am sure they also promoted "family cohesion" and Christianity. I was on 4chan many years ago, I went to the Anonymous protests in London. I have thick skin and I know not to take stuff se…

The way I heard the story everyone could say whatever they wanted on 4chan, but all the discussions were always "won" by the Nazis through better arguments and facts, so everyone else got tired on always getting called out on their own delusions, so they left the place, where only reason and facts prevailed. Hence the necessity to ban them on other platforms, because of the impossibility to win arguments against them. The only way they could keep believing in their delusions (like "people are equal" etc.) was to create safe spaces where they could ban everyone disagreeing with them. Apparently in a truly free space Nazis win all arguments, which makes everyone else leave.

The other explanation is "those people are mean and I don't want to hang around mean people", but that's really not all that different from the first explanation.