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New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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1.3 GB/s vs 2 GB/s read. I think it's perfectly reasonable given most users aren't going to be doing high I/O, and if they did, they'd just get a MBP.

> and if they did, they'd just get a MBP.

Or better Dell/HP/System76 with upgradable 32GB RAM.

Hardware of latest MBP aren't super reliable anymore, so I don't see any reason to pay premium price.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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You'll be back for the trackpad alone.

I have to agree Apple makes a great trackpad. Most other manufacturers' hardware seems to consistently detect a movement as a drag action. Constantly detecting the wrong movement and drawing a box instead of moving the mouse pointer. It could be Windows OS that's bad or macOS that's good or a mix of OS and hardware. The Apple OS is nice but too restrictive for me. Windows I find is kludgy and bloated. Linux is nice i…

How is macOS restrictive?

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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The biggest bummer of these machines is apples lack of vp9 hardware decoding in macos, it makes 4k youtube unwatchable. For high motion content (mountain biking videos) 4k is the only way to watch even on a tiny laptop screen due to youtube’s horrific compression. Its an absurd limitation considering the hardware has full support for it! I know it sounds insane but I returned mine for a quad core 13” mbp just to brut…

Google could support H.264 or H.265. The only reason they don't is because they want to push their format.

Apple's MacBooks also got VP9 hardware decode support since several years, Apple could just enable it on the software side.

But they don't, so Safari users have to suffer.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Are these new T2-based Macs usable with Linux yet? Honest question. Edit: For the downvoters, it’s a real concern: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/11/06/mac-t2chip-linux/

It is not, and it won't be in the foreseeable future.

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202567

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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I am guessing for high motion content you mean 60fps video?

No, they mean content where things are moving a lot. (Imagine how fast the picture is changing on a mountain biker’s GoPro...)

I don't see the relation of High Motion Video, ( Sports ) to Video Codec and Resolution. Why cant H.264 not be used? ( Which is the standard used world wide now for All Sporting Events )

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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It's worth remembering that the storage architecture of T2-based Macs (like this MacBook Air) is very different from previous Macs and any PCs. The T2 chip is an Apple ARM SoC running Darwin/XNU (basically a cut-down iOS). It connects to the Intel system using a variety of buses. From a storage perspective, the T2 is the storage controller. It sits between raw NAND flash and the Intel system (connecting to the Intel…

> Given this architecture, how would read speeds drop by 35% from one model to the next? I'm not sure--my first guess was that fewer NAND chips were being used, but teardowns show that both 2018 and 2019 models were using two chips.

NAND flash is almost always packaged with a stack of several dies in each BGA package. Individual dies are typically 256Gb (32GB) or larger, and most manufacturers will stack up to 8 or 16 dies per package. So an SSD with two packages can easily vary from 128GB (2 packages x 2 dies per package x 256Gb per die) to 2TB (2 packages x 16 dies per package x 512Gb per die).

It's also possible for a single BGA package to have the NAND organized on one or more channels. Drives using larger form factors (eg. enterprise SSDs using 2.5"/15mm dual-PCB) will typically have each package connecting to only one of the SSD controller's channels, and often have multiple packages per channel. Consumer SSDs that need to minimize PCB footprint take the opposite approach, using eg. two packages connecting to two channels each to fully populate a low-end 4-channel SSD controller.

I don't know Apple's recent history of NAND choices, but it's possible they've switched from MLC (two bit per cell) to TLC (three bit per cell) NAND flash, which sacrifices performance for density and cost. They have probably moved to 3D NAND with a higher layer count, which can be a mixed bag for performance especially when the controller is not also upgraded. If they've moved to a higher per-die capacity for drives with the same total capacity, then a significant performance drop for lower-capacity models is expected.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Apple's prices used to be non-insane. Marked up, yes, but not nuts. Wasn't even that long ago. You'd have people post stuff about "look I can get a PC that's just as good for 40% as much, what a ripoff!" but it'd always turn out they were choosing worse parts. These days, though, between price hikes, mediocre to poor base memory amounts and disc sizes, and massive markup on upgrades, it's not true anymore. Their pric…

The $1K aluminum monitor stand is symbolic in that regard, even though it's not even hardware.

I hope it isn't software :). But yes, it is not even electronic.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Apple's prices used to be non-insane. Marked up, yes, but not nuts. Wasn't even that long ago. You'd have people post stuff about "look I can get a PC that's just as good for 40% as much, what a ripoff!" but it'd always turn out they were choosing worse parts. These days, though, between price hikes, mediocre to poor base memory amounts and disc sizes, and massive markup on upgrades, it's not true anymore. Their pric…

Apple's had this model for over a decade at least where the base models are fairly priced but you can really make the thing uncompetitively priced through outrageous ram/storage upgrade pricing. That's exactly where things go off the rails -- in fact, it's pretty apparent to me that Apple is normalizing profit margins over expected upgrade volumes (so that entry level machine sells at lower than the profit margin app…

Yes, their upgrades had always been expensive, but at a price point, where would be willing to pay the markup for the convenience and simplicity. Today I fear, that the pricing is driving away a lot of users. I would be interested in a new laptop, but I am not going to pay 2000€ for an Air with 16/512. And that doesn't include mandatory Apple care. The company I work for basically has dropped Macs from the list of available machines.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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The biggest bummer of these machines is apples lack of vp9 hardware decoding in macos, it makes 4k youtube unwatchable. For high motion content (mountain biking videos) 4k is the only way to watch even on a tiny laptop screen due to youtube’s horrific compression. Its an absurd limitation considering the hardware has full support for it! I know it sounds insane but I returned mine for a quad core 13” mbp just to brut…

Do hardware decoders for vp9 even exist?

Any Intel GPU since Kaby Lake can decode VP9 in hardware. So can AMD since Raven Ridge[1] and Nvidia since GM206.

On Android, it has been mandated by CTS for several years already.

[1] Except Radeon VII, which is technically Vega.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Would be curious of whether this is before or after the cache. My understanding is that, for instance, newer Samsung QLC SSDs are slower but they include a very fast SLC cache, and in practice you spend your time in the cache unless you are copying >15GB files.

> unless you are copying >15GB files. Or, presumably, using them in a miltitenant SAN or DBMS where the SSD’s pipeline is full of concurrent random IOPS to more than 15GB of hot data.

SLC caching is only used on consumer SSDs, and on most drives it is largely or exclusively a write cache. Consumer QLC drives are pretty much the only ones that prefer to retain data in the SLC cache to accelerate read performance, rather than flushing it during idle times to prepare for the next burst of writes.
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