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Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

#101
>Airlines fear some passengers will refuse to fly on the Max.

Well this sure solves that problem in an anti-customer way.

Your partner doesn't want want duck for dinner? Order it anyways and tell them it isn't duck. If you make up a new word for duck, it's not lying and you're a good partner. /s

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

#103

>Airlines fear some passengers will refuse to fly on the Max. Well this sure solves that problem in an anti-customer way. Your partner doesn't want want duck for dinner? Order it anyways and tell them it isn't duck. If you make up a new word for duck, it's not lying and you're a good partner. /s

"I can't believe it's not duck" !

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

#105
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. And I'm starting to be afraid of ANY Boeing. This company is dead.

Really? I was in a 777 yesterday and felt like I was flying in a well-tested, mostly modern plane built with well-understood technologies. That, and I realized 737s (not Max, obviously) have loud interiors.

From what I understand, Boeing became toxic when they bought McDonnell-Douglas and absorbed their company culture of "Safety? Quality control? What are those?".

The 737 MAX and the 787 Dreamliner were both designed after the acquisition and are full of issues. The 777 predates that, so it's fine.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

#106
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> felt like I was flying in a well-tested, mostly modern plane built with well-understood technologies Given how much of its functionality is embedded in electronics and software, how can you know? Would a passenger be able to recognize if it suffered from the same flaws as the 737 MAX?

The 777 has a great long-term record. The 737 MAX started falling out of the sky right away.

I generally hate being pedantic, but to really be accurate they started flying themselves into the ground rather than falling out of the sky.

I have thought a lot about this for personal reasons, and I increasingly think the biggest failing is not grounding the fleet after the Lion Air crash. The Ethiopia Air should never have happened in any company that prioritized safety and risk appropriately.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

#107
post #6

Out of all the possible solutions, let's go ahead and choose the one that further destroys people's trust in our abilities to make sound decisions! /s Ridiculous.

Immoral yes. Ridiculous no. People have a short memory and a strong affect toward symbolism. Marketing just pulls the desired psychological tricks to reach their objective. It works. Just like lying in politics works. Just like making corporate PR statements work. Just like in your face ads work. Just like showing boobs work. It will work as long as people are cruising in their life instead of trying to build it. It…

Immoral-as-the-norm is itself ridiculous.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

#108
post #3

> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

Ditto. And I'm really sad because after nearly two decades of not flying, I flew again last year (two round trips!) on Southwest, and I loved it and was looking forward to flying Southwest again. And now because of the 737 MAX, I'm going to have to avoid them.

What low-cost carriers in the US fly Airbus exclusively? There's Spirit, which is notoriously horrible, and I saw someone mention JetBlue elsewhere in this thread. Any others?

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

#109
post #5

Will this prompt some fliers to avoid 737-anything or Boeing-anything?

Definitely not. Time and time again, it’s been proven people only care about the cheapest ticket price. You can nickel and dime them, treat them like cattle, and physically beat your customers and they will continue to use your airline and airplanes.

I wonder what the true market equilibrium between ticket price and not dying would be if the FAA let people find their own balance. If a life is valued at $2,000,000 then people would accept a one in a million chance of dying for $2 off their ticket.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

#110
post #15

This is disgusting misdirection and frankly feels fraudulent to me. The definition of fraud is as follows: Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. What Boeing is doing meets that definition of fraud if you ask me.

The "deception" part is crucial. If I call water dihydrogen monoxide, is it deception? 737-8200 is and has for years been another name for that craft.
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