So a minority should dictate international relations? A minority that aren't even indigenous and whose only history of statehood was being a vassal of the Ottomans that captured and sold Slavs as slaves... Why should they dictate what happens between Ukraine or Russia?
The US has a lot of people whose history of statehood traces back to slavery. They still get a right to vote on their future.
Yes, they do. But the Crimean Tatars are what, 15% at most? Some people are acting like they should decide for everyone.
More than 15% of Ukrainians opposed Maidan (including Crimeans). Yet they were subjected to it.
You might almost think it was intended to provoke a reaction. So much so it smells like a false flag op. They were left pretty much alone for about 12 hours, while they broke windows and shutters, since the first reports of broken windows came last night. To justify the "entirely necessary but unavoidable" reaction coming soon?
This is not a false flag op. Disclosure: I closely followed the forum where many of the high level discussions take place: lihkg.com (in Cantonese). The protestors broke into the legislative council, partly in response to the no-response from the government after the large protests on 9 June, 12 June, and 16 June; and partly because of some recent desperate suicides towards no-response from the government (just two c…
I really hope Hong Kong gains independence from China. They do not want to be part of that regime. Hong Kong currently participates in some United Nations committees, but is not recognized as a country. Have there been any political leaders in Hong Kong who have publicly opposed returning to China or who have requested recognition by other UN member States?
Do you think there is any scenario where it can be a bargaining chip that results in its independence? 1997 China is very different than 2019 China with regard to the successes in Shanghai's free trade zone and Guangzhou. The Communist Party is very very far from the teachings of Karl Marx and there is no outcome of a communist utopia that dissolves the central planners, after the means of production are completely e…
Uniting China has been the core political ideology for all major China dynasties across history, the same for CPC too. Let alone overthrowing the colonialism and getting independence is widely regarded as one of the greatest achievement and gives the legality of its governance.The resource deployed is chicken feed compared to the political crisis losing SARs.
The US has a lot of people whose history of statehood traces back to slavery. They still get a right to vote on their future.
Yes, they do. But the Crimean Tatars are what, 15% at most? Some people are acting like they should decide for everyone. More than 15% of Ukrainians opposed Maidan (including Crimeans). Yet they were subjected to it.
No one from people not Ukrainians, not Tatars and not Russians had option to decide there future during the occupation process. There were just occupied by Russian military. It was military operation not decision of local population.
I feel like the situation at hand is very different. Crimea, unlike Hong Kong, isn't an alpha+ city that is one of the most important financial hubs in the world. While capturing Crimea by RF was extremely reprehensible, there was not much at stake there for any side not directly involved in the conflict. All there was in Crimea situation is just a geopolitical projection of power. With Hong Kong, the stakes are way…
> While capturing Crimea by RF was extremely reprehensible, there was not much at stake there for any side not directly involved in the conflict. There was something else still: the population of Crimea was mostly Russian. Like, really Russian. Using only Russian language, calling hryvnas rubles, and in general feeling Russian. Many of these people actually liked the idea of Crimea being a part of Russia (at least be…
>There was something else still: the population of Crimea was mostly Russian. Like, really Russian. Using only Russian language, calling hryvnas rubles, and in general feeling Russian. Many of these people actually liked the idea of Crimea being a part of Russia (at least before the invasion - things changed a bit since then)
We do not know what people of Crimea wanted. Nobody during military occupation of Crimea asked their opinion.
This is not a false flag op. Disclosure: I closely followed the forum where many of the high level discussions take place: lihkg.com (in Cantonese). The protestors broke into the legislative council, partly in response to the no-response from the government after the large protests on 9 June, 12 June, and 16 June; and partly because of some recent desperate suicides towards no-response from the government (just two c…
What is your response to this front page reddit post? https://old.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c7xhih/protestors...
Here's a comparison between first second of video, last second (54'') of video, and a composite. Levels are adjusted for clarity because the original comparison is amateurish and more than a little disingenuous.
> While capturing Crimea by RF was extremely reprehensible, there was not much at stake there for any side not directly involved in the conflict. There was something else still: the population of Crimea was mostly Russian. Like, really Russian. Using only Russian language, calling hryvnas rubles, and in general feeling Russian. Many of these people actually liked the idea of Crimea being a part of Russia (at least be…
>There was something else still: the population of Crimea was mostly Russian. Like, really Russian. Using only Russian language, calling hryvnas rubles, and in general feeling Russian. Many of these people actually liked the idea of Crimea being a part of Russia (at least before the invasion - things changed a bit since then) We do not know what people of Crimea wanted. Nobody during military occupation of Crimea ask…
I don't know about people in general, but those I spoke to a few years before the invasion told me on numerous occasion that they would prefer that Crimea belonged to Russia, and that they would be much better off then. of course, this doesn't mean they supported the invasion in any way, it was just an opinion.
After the invasion cam ethe period of disillusionment. It turned out the situation only changed for worse. But nobody should be surprised there was practically no opposition when Russians took over Crimea.
Semi-related (not trying to detract from your point): interestingly enough, there is a whole Tatar state within Russia that many people might not be aware of ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan ). >Crimea is occupated and this is reality. All other talks about how much Crimea is more Russian sounds like a Russian propaganda. While I am very opposed to the capture of Crimea by RF, I feel you are being disingenuo…
>Semi-related (not trying to detract from your point): interestingly enough, there is a whole Tatar state within Russia that many people might not be aware of ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan ). Tatars from Tatarstan and Tatars from Crimea share only name, they are different nationalities. >While I am very opposed to the capture of Crimea by RF, I feel you are being disingenuous when you say that. According…
It might be misleading, but not totally. You're totally right that nobody had anything to say, Putin made the decision for them. But the share of population isn't insignificant. Would you see it differentley if 99% of Crimeans were Russians? 100%? If so, where is the borderline? If not, how would it be different from a colony (that I hope all agree is an embarassing relic of the past)?
Not sure what part you think is a false flag. Hong Kong has a history of protests against China. That would basically have been HK government admitting that Chinese law supersedes HK law. Could you imagine the UK passing a law that Brussels has jurisdiction over UK citizens? The brexiters would go absolutely nuts. HK has a history of resisting Chinese attempts to impose One China on them.
> Could you imagine the UK passing a law that Brussels has jurisdiction over UK citizens? This is already the case, right? Per Wikipedia: "A regulation is a legal act of the European Union that becomes immediately enforceable as law in all member states simultaneously."
Yeah. But, in OP’s defense, Brexiteers have already gone nuts as well.
And this is good for Hong Kong how? People need to get over the reality that One Country Two Systems was meant to be a transition, not a permanent condition. Legally. The most legitimate path that is not tinged with racism or colonialism is to use that time to make sure China becomes a prosperous and free country that everybody wants to live in, as it should be.
The point is that China has external pressure not to do that.
And much stronger internal preasure to do this disregarding externalities
The trick with running an autoracy is that it has to be absolute. If one city could disobey and contend the rulers then others will follow.
I would expect few car bombs to follow soon. Terrorism is such a tabu in the West that it would give China carte blanche in HK.
