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Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by z3phyr »

acd wrote: post #63

Prediction for the future: Microsoft will open source Windows but sell commercial support packages for it. Windows server will be offered as a compatibility layer in Linux on top of Docker.

On one end, I really like the open source movement;

Having said that, I can't do anything but blame it for the slow pace of computer systems research. My reasoning is that the OS does not sell anymore (partly due to FOSS movement) and thus research computing environments hardly come out of the labs for use in production.

We are forever stuck with Unix's interpretation of what an OS could be, and there is very little compulsion/motivation/incentive (can't think of the correct word) to explore. People who do explore (example at MS research or Later Bell labs, remains in the labs)

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by robteix »

quasi wrote: post #87

Microsoft should do an Apple and build the Windows 13 on GNU/Linux.

Even if they would, they couldn't do with Linux what Apple did with BSD because the licensing situation is different: BSD allowed them to develop a proprietary OS, GPL doesn't.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by jorams »

FigmentEngine wrote: post #69
m0zg wrote: post #5

This is great, IMO. The sooner MS abandons Windows on Azure the better for everybody. You could argue that "monoculture" is not good, but, TBH, from a purely pragmatic standpoint, I struggle to name a single use case where I'd _not_ choose Linux over anything else when the use case is not desktop-oriented (cloud, edge, embedded).

seems to me that windows is still where you are going to find better (or even a driver) drivers for hardware. is this still true? if new cutting edge hardware released does it now have good linux drivers? (sorry i was scarred by the printing experience on linux)

Linux supports much more hardware than Windows. The situation with bad cutting edge hardware support applies only on desktop machines, where manufacturers don't bother with anything but the OS they put in the box.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by johnminter »

y4mi wrote: post #79
hvidgaard wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers get special treatment, because the nature of their work often require them to have local admin access. But the majority of people do not need that, and if I'm in charge of company network and security, I would not allow anything but approved machines on the internal network.

> Developers get special treatment, because the nature of their work often require them to have local admin access. That is extremely rare at larger b2b enterprises

Senior scientists in corporate R&D often require local admin access as well. The image analysis and spectum simulation programs I needed to run and keep updated were not on the radar for our corporate IT folks. They were very good at what they did and were cooperative when we explained our needs and showed that we were competent to manage our own systems and were willing to reach out and ask questions before doing something unfamiliar. Even in R&D, most chemists could use a standard workstation. It was mainly analytical chemists/material scientists working with specialized instruments and doing custom software development that needed local admin access.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by cyborgx7 »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #96

Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

You are trying to defend Microsoft from these stories. But "Microsoft eats humble pie on OSS" is exactly the narrative they want out there. It gives them the cover they want to embrace extend extinguish Linux and other major open source projects.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by h1d »

butteroverflow wrote: post #100
h1d wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff suddenly starting to work on reboot for Windows is getting old. I don't know what to use Windows servers for if it wasn't for a project that uses MetaTrader.

We have these old Windows admins now learning to work with Linux. What drives me insane is their habit of randomly rebooting machines if something isn't working right. There is a problem with a Linux box, they ask you to take a look at it, you SSH in, type "uptime"... bam, it's two and a half minutes. A lot of precious diagnostic information has been lost.

alias reboot='echo "This is not Windows!"'

Real Linux admins know how to invoke the real 'reboot' command.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

iaml wrote: post #76
foepys wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can understand that for many Mac OS users it's hard to understand Windows. When your OS vendor is requiring you to rewrite parts of your applications each year because of changing APIs it's impossible to imagine a world where applications from 1995 are still running on operating systems from 2019. Same.with security updates for only 3 years where Windows gives you over a decade time to upgrade. But when you are a m…

Didn't microsoft ditch QA and make several broken patches recently? I was under impression testing new update rollout on your devices is still local admin responsibility and can break things. How is it different that staggered rollout of any other os update?

Yeah, they've completely borked the Desktop side of things, it's true. However the server side is much more conservative.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by BrissyCoder »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #96

Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

I've been a dev for 20+ years now. I don't care about the OSS vs Proprietary argument at all. I care about my productivity and job satisfaction. Microsoft - in every sphere from IDEs to cloud platforms and now machine learning - has done more to make this stuff easier to learn, use and afford than any other organization.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #96

Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

>But we (the tech community) never seem to get bored with the "Microsoft is eating humble pie on OSS" story. Maybe that's exactly what Microsoft deserves after so many years of big-bad-wolf behavior.

And Microsoft absolutely relishes it. The tech community provides priceless support for Microsoft's key marketing message, which is that Azure runs everything and you don't have to go to AWS for first class Linux hosting.

The humble pie they are eating is worth billions per bite.

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