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An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by pfortuny »

bhouston wrote: post #87
pfortuny wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really upsetting: it is exactly what happened elsewhere like 80 years ago: laws against people just because of their birth conditions. Edit: and people abiding by them because “it is the law”...

This is wrong what is going on and we should talk about it, but please stay away from Godwin'ing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Oh no: I am not staying away from REALITY. This is not a metaphor, this is just plain facts: they are being treated like that exactly because they share a trait at birth. In this case being Iranian. In the past, being Jew.

This is exactly where reality meets history. And not as a metaphor.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by stevenjohns »

Yizahi wrote: post #61
arjmandi wrote: post #55

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Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps does any intention to publish something on Google and Apple platforms, on the contrary, they want to have their own platform. In other word, sanctions are aligned with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps

Any sanctions align with feudal regimes. How would countries punish such regimes without sanctions? Military operations? That's even worse. Personally I don't see a clear answer to such hard question.

Pray tell: how did starving Iraqis to the point where 500,000 children under the age of five alone die from malnutrition[0] punish the Iraqi government?

All it did was convert the secular military dictatorship into an extremist religious dictatorship and the effects of this punishment are still being felt today around the entire world[1].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_campaign#Consequences

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by nashashmi »

rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

Granted that US and Iran had good relations in the 1970s. And many people exmigrated from Iran after things changed. Those people are also treated the same way.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by nashashmi »

pryce wrote: post #92
espeed wrote: post #28

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Regardless what you think of the tactics, the sanctions are an economic vise -- a negotiating tactic to leverage a position -- it has nothing to do with race.

It is an objective fact that this president made the central issue of his campaign portraying two groups - Muslims and Hispanics - as a threat to the United States, and his two key differentiating policies from his peers in the republican primaries reflect that - respectively his "Muslim Ban" and "The Wall". It is absurd to characterise this president's foreign policy on Iran as separate from that background.

He is anti-iran because of support from middle eastern and Israeli regimes, not much to do with race in this policy.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by blodstone »

izacus wrote: post #82
enedil wrote: post #66

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If you're in a place where being woman is disadvantageous, would you call such disadvantage "racist"? Clearly it fits your description. If you think it's wrong, then I agree with you. If you think it's racist, then no way, it isn't and you just don't know the words you use.

Is that the most useful direction you could take this debate? Will changing the word for the same thing change anything? Racist, sexist, nationalist, whatever, people are having their livelihoods broken and you want to debate grammar?

It is not grammar issue but vocabulary.

Having the right word is important if you want to be taken seriously. As you have pointed, these issues are serious, and the least thing people want to hear is to be accused for something that they didn't do. You don't call a thief a rapist even though both of them broke the law.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by londons_explore »

geff82 wrote: post #53
espeed wrote: post #28

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Regardless what you think of the tactics, the sanctions are an economic vise -- a negotiating tactic to leverage a position -- it has nothing to do with race.

A tactic that takes 80 million people as hostages. Just as a side note: you can not give back Iranian citizenship (if that would be possible most Iranians in the West I know would do it). This concept does not exist. So even if you are the most western, fully integrated European which happens to have some Iranian roots you are still treated in a racist way because those new sanctions are so totally all-encompassing t…

You can totally "accidentally fail to declare" it. That's what I'd do living anywhere in Europe. For the most part, Europe won't put you in prison for ticking the wrong box on a form.

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Post by sendrome »

We tried to use Stripe Atlas to open a company in USA because Stripe is not yet available in India. From the start they bombarded us questions like, ‘How will you prevent users from Iran/N.Korea etc from using your product.’ It went on for about 3 months. We gave up and switched to Singapore. Couldn’t have been happier. Singapore is too damn good for business.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by h0l0cube »

espeed wrote: post #28
catmanjan wrote: post #16

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That is straight up racism.

Regardless what you think of the tactics, the sanctions are an economic vise -- a negotiating tactic to leverage a position -- it has nothing to do with race.

I think you're getting caught up in semantics here. If you want to tie this back to the 'actual racism' you're inferring, the prejudice of the US polity towards the Iran people is what enables this policy to be enacted without any serious counter of moral concern from the populous. This actual racism is what permits the foreign policy, that ruins the lives of innocent people in far off countries. Further to that, if someone is okay with their government using this tactic on the innocent people of one foreign country vs another, you can tease apart their actual racism from nationalism.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by luckylion »

espeed wrote: post #99

The 80 million Iranians are currently held hostage by two entities. First, it is their own government (which is by far not the worse in the world, being in Iran feels more free than one would expect). The Iranian people are not the target -- Persia is a rich ancient civilization that's being repressed -- the West knows this and wants to see the Iranian people's massive creative potential unleashed. Sanctions are desi…

> The Iranian people are not the target -- Persia is a rich ancient civilization that's being repressed -- the West knows this and wants to see the Iranian people's massive creative potential unleashed.

Given that "the West" is largely responsible for installing/supporting repressive Regimes in Iran, that sounds a bit too naive. "Wants to replace the oppressive Regime with an oppressive Regime that will do their bidding" sounds closer to the truth to my ears.

Given the recent examples US led "Regime Change" in the area (Egypt, Libya, Iraq, to a lesser degree Syria), as an Iranian, I'd have some reservations about lofty speeches.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by qaq »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #73
qaq wrote: post #67

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You do realize that Iran means "the land of Aryans"?

Interesting, but so what? Can Aryans not be the victims of racism?

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."
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