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Re: Vista Is Good

#101

Post by Hexstream » Thu, May 29, 2008, 3:10 AM UTC

mynameishere wrote: post #100

Hexstream wrote: post #97

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Québec, Canada. If most Americans defend spam/outright lies/defamation/deliberately inacurrate and misleading information/gratuitous hate speech in a misguided attempt to protect free speech while simultaneously waiving all their rights whenever Bush utters the word "terrorists" then I pity them.

Not defending it so much as pointing out that it is a bogeyman. Bringing up George Bush is a pretty sad straw man, so please skip it. I'm just glad to've had my hunch confirmed. I know Canada is all-too-willing to imprison people for speech violations, and I'm quite happy it hasn't come to that here yet. Of course, it will eventually.

Contrast: "Bringing up George Bush is a pretty sad straw man, so please skip it." VS "I know Canada is all-too-willing to imprison people for speech violations, and I'm quite happy it hasn't come to that here yet."

Doing exactly what you just scorned me for is definitely bad style.

And you'll have to prove Canada imprisons people for "speech violations" a lot while the US doesn't.

Re: Vista Is Good

#102

Post by akkartik » Thu, May 29, 2008, 3:21 AM UTC

pchristensen wrote: post #57

axod wrote: post #31

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." I think quite a few of his blog posts fall int…

Controversial: he's just opposing conventional wisdom Irrelevant or off-topic: Vista and Facebook are very relevant to this community Baiting others: maybe he's guilty of this, but I think it's more the jarring cognitive dissonance of him opposing the accepted wisdom. A minority opinion isn't necessarily baiting. Disrupt normal discussion: other people post his stuff. Let's face it, he writes well, he argues his poin…

He makes good points, it is true, but what everyone on this thread is reacting to is how he makes them. When he uses words like 'bullshit' and 'fanboy' it feels like he's going out of his way to insult me the reader. Even when I read something I agree with him on.

After the instinctive reaction subsides I'm still left with the sense that some of his wording is calculated to arouse knee-jerk comment/traffic. That intention is at the heart of the troll mentality. Which is a pity, because he really doesn't need to do this.

Re: Vista Is Good

#103

Post by brianlash » Fri, May 30, 2008, 12:10 AM UTC

jcromartie wrote: post #33

brianlash wrote: post #2

A lot of good points here. I think his best comes from the notion that business customers' slowness to upgrade "...was the case last time. The reason is that enterprise customers don’t upgrade much." So true. Apple's taken the tact in their "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" adverts that Vista's a failure for it's lack of penetration among enterprise users. Nice work, Matt, for pointing to the fact that while little penetration m…

> Edit: What was worth downmodding here? I don't think many people believe that "business customers' slowness to upgrade" is the cause, and Vista's poor reputation is the effect. Most people believe it to be the other way around.

Fair, but that kind of disagreement is what the "Reply" button's for.