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Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by bubblewrap »

dgzl wrote: post #100
bubblewrap wrote: post #93

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Sure, yes, I feel threatened - because it is visible in many educational institutions that the only focus is on somehow getting girls into STEM. The boys are on their own, it is assumed that they will be interested in STEM anyway. Which isn't even the case. More boys than girls go into STEM, but many boys don't go into STEM or much of anything, really (less men than women complete higher education these days). I have…

It doesn't. This is all because there's a lack of women in STEM, and people trying to find out why. If we can conclude that it's society's fault (nature/nurture) women don't like STEM, then we can change society until women are interested. If the reality is that women are uninterested in STEM from a biological standpoint, then it's harder to manipulate to get women interested. The people who are most concerned with t…

First of all women are doing lots of STEM - they are the majority of medicine students, for example. It seems to be mostly engineering they shun.

In my opinion, the main reason for that is that they have lots of other interests, too, and they have more options than men (being less dependent on a good income). For that reasons alone it is to be expected that less women choose engineering. Biological aspects might play a part, too, of course (apart from having a womb, I mean).

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

#102

Post by yellowapple »

TomMarius wrote: post #21
lnsru wrote: post #11

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I can imagine, that some primitive gripper is many times more expensive than this offensive component. With a gripper robot must be also bigger and wider as well as more expensive. As I can see in my home country (ex Soviet Union), parents have no problems when little kids play with guns, tanks or planes. Germans, for example, avoid this. I have mixed feelings, I love peace, but the guns also exist in this world.

I'm from the former Eastern Bloc. Not playing with a toy gun as a child is seen as weird. It's something that never happens, everyone has used a toy gun many many times and never ever thought it's wrong.

Same deal here in at least some (most?) parts of the US (the vocal minority of overzealously-violence-averse helicopter parents notwithstanding). Cap guns, squirt guns, Nerf guns, you name it, we had it (and to my knowledge still have it). Such toys are increasingly-frequently disallowed in schools, but they're still prevalent in homes and toy stores nationwide.

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by dgzl »

bubblewrap wrote: post #101
dgzl wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't. This is all because there's a lack of women in STEM, and people trying to find out why. If we can conclude that it's society's fault (nature/nurture) women don't like STEM, then we can change society until women are interested. If the reality is that women are uninterested in STEM from a biological standpoint, then it's harder to manipulate to get women interested. The people who are most concerned with t…

First of all women are doing lots of STEM - they are the majority of medicine students, for example. It seems to be mostly engineering they shun. In my opinion, the main reason for that is that they have lots of other interests, too, and they have more options than men (being less dependent on a good income). For that reasons alone it is to be expected that less women choose engineering. Biological aspects might play…

> In my opinion, the main reason for that is that they have lots of other interests, too, and they have more options than men (being less dependent on a good income).

Can you explain these three points? I really don't know what you mean by them. I assume men would have the same amount of interests and "options", and don't know why being dependant on good income has anything to do with it.

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by rosege »

deskamess wrote: post #92
rosege wrote: post #76

This website has a major flaw. When I click the buy button it says not available in your country. I was thinking about getting this for my nephew who lives in the USA while I live in Australia. I know I'm obviously a small percentage that is outside USA that could buy and get it delivered to a local address but it still seems crazy not to even allow that. I know I could vpn it but I don't think that should be necessa…

To mimic your use case, I went through a trial run and it does let you enter a non US billing address (Australia was a drop down).

Yes but are you in the US? When I try and buy it says not in your country. I did just find that if I go store then change to US I think I can now order. I was on my mobile before so this definitely wasn't clear then.

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

#105

Post by bubblewrap »

dgzl wrote: post #103
bubblewrap wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all women are doing lots of STEM - they are the majority of medicine students, for example. It seems to be mostly engineering they shun. In my opinion, the main reason for that is that they have lots of other interests, too, and they have more options than men (being less dependent on a good income). For that reasons alone it is to be expected that less women choose engineering. Biological aspects might play…

> In my opinion, the main reason for that is that they have lots of other interests, too, and they have more options than men (being less dependent on a good income). Can you explain these three points? I really don't know what you mean by them. I assume men would have the same amount of interests and "options", and don't know why being dependant on good income has anything to do with it.

Dependence on good income: if you are not dependent on a good income, you have more jobs to choose from.

For example you can study literature, or work with children. Another option only women have is becoming a mother, staying at home or working only part time. Some men do that, too, but as a man you can not really count on making that your career. Mothers have the first choice of staying home or not (because they have the wombs).

Other things, like being more sociable, might be affected by biology. I am not sure. Maybe being more popular as a kid makes people more inclined to take up a people facing job.

I love maths, and even I find it difficult to stay focused on it if I am not forced to do so. Maybe it is different for other people, but I could imagine that is also a factor that makes women drop out. Not because they don't like STEM, but because they don't have the pressure to stay in it.

Another way to think about it: what do women do who don't go into STEM? We are trained now to think that they fail in life, but the reality is that they usually go on to do other interesting things.

I have had female colleagues in IT who told me they would try this now, and they could always drop out and have kids if they don't like it. Only one of them stayed in tech, and she became a teacher. That was in a job where they ended up putting the IT staff into the basement, while marketing and HR resided on the first floor with big windows. Not the only time I witnessed that attitude towards tech workers.

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

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Post by Mauronic1 »

dgzl wrote: post #99
Mauronic1 wrote: post #86

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I am not informed enough to even guess. Was it the first robotics ciricculum or the gender dynamics of the class? Or both? That was 7 years ago, now she is in an all girls high school. The same sex education has provided a much less distracting environment. (Don't want to get off topic but I could go on and on about same sex education)

So you have enough intuition to criticize this drone toy as being "designed by dudes" and not palatable for girls, but have zero intuition about how the game can be changed so your own daughter would enjoy it better? Do you realize how unhelpful that is? From your own words, it sounds like your daughter enjoys being aesthetically creative rather than technically competitive. In which case, why are you bitter about a…

It's not intuition. The product team was lead by a man (see the Bloomberg video). The CEO of DJI is man, every senior exec is a man and 98% of all the DJI reps that I have met at trade shows since 2014 have been men.

It's true that I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about how to solve the problem. But it annoys me when a billion dollar company doesn't seem to either.

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

#107

Post by Mauronic1 »

bubblewrap wrote: post #93
Mauronic1 wrote: post #88

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Are you feeling threatened? I was just sharing some female perspectives. If this wasn't so expensive, I'd buy 2 for myself. As a parent, I don't think there's a need to teach the next generation ok kids about AI in the context of autonomous killing machines...

Sure, yes, I feel threatened - because it is visible in many educational institutions that the only focus is on somehow getting girls into STEM. The boys are on their own, it is assumed that they will be interested in STEM anyway. Which isn't even the case. More boys than girls go into STEM, but many boys don't go into STEM or much of anything, really (less men than women complete higher education these days). I have…

I get it that boys are biologically different. I was at a party recently and two 14 year old boys wrestle for an hour on and off in dress clothes. My daughter rolled her eyes and texted her girlfriends.

The problem that I observed is that my daughter's co-ed elementary STEM program attracted a lot of hyperactive boys. On top of that, the curriculum flipped some primal switches. What I called the "boy energy" spilled over to my daughter's experience and made it crappy for her.

She has been in a same sex educational setting for the past several years and it has been great. FWIW, she loves Chem, Bio and Theater.

p.s. I am enjoying this conversation even though I must be getting downvoted a lot since my karma is negative. LOL

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

#108

Post by kbumsik »

yayr wrote: post #84
kbumsik wrote: post #75

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Teaching how to code is constructive and creative btw. If you don't want the turret you can simply do so.

the main question is: for what purpose here it is fighting... This particular robot though is hard to repurpose (e.g. put additional sensors on top, e.g. to measure things or additional actors to move things or have other meaningful impact) commercially it makes sense, like a facebook bubble does, educationally it is limited

Have you watched a youtube video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GpdoJXpo2U

You can use "macros" in the fight. Regardless, this robot is a vision-enabled robot after all. You can use it as a ordinary AI robot anyway. I think the price still make sense as there are few consumer programmable robots with mecanum wheels.

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

#109

Post by bubblewrap »

Mauronic1 wrote: post #107
bubblewrap wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, yes, I feel threatened - because it is visible in many educational institutions that the only focus is on somehow getting girls into STEM. The boys are on their own, it is assumed that they will be interested in STEM anyway. Which isn't even the case. More boys than girls go into STEM, but many boys don't go into STEM or much of anything, really (less men than women complete higher education these days). I have…

I get it that boys are biologically different. I was at a party recently and two 14 year old boys wrestle for an hour on and off in dress clothes. My daughter rolled her eyes and texted her girlfriends. The problem that I observed is that my daughter's co-ed elementary STEM program attracted a lot of hyperactive boys. On top of that, the curriculum flipped some primal switches. What I called the "boy energy" spilled…

I have a general issue with school forcing kids into sub-optimal learning environments. It's not OK if a few ill-mannered kids make it difficult for everybody else.

I don't think it is an inevitable outcome of having boys in the class, in fact, many boys also suffer from the behavior of such classmates.

However, if single-sex education helps, why not.

What irks me is when there are STEM courses just for girls, without similar offers for boys. In my country, significant amounts of government money are available for that kind of thing. Firms and organizations also do it, presumably for marketing purposes (displaying how progressive they are by encouraging women in tech).

An example that comes to mind is Google sponsoring women traveling to their Google I/O event. It's nice to encourage women in tech. But if there is a woman reluctant to go, being convinced by being offered money, and a man who would love to go but can't afford it, I feel something is amiss. Although I give the companies that they have their own incentives, namely getting their hands on cheaper software developers. The market for male developers might be tapped out, so it is understandable if they set their eyes on women.

Re: DJI RoboMaster S1

#110

Post by adultSwim »

hurrdurr2 wrote: post #4

Making the offensive component a central design element is... interesting. They could have designed a robot for kids like what anki did but.. this is what they came up with.

is... a reflection of where this technology came from
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