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Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by mAEStro-paNDa »

a254613e wrote: post #71
OskarS wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on HN defend AMP. We all hate it. It's a pox on the modern web.

Depends on who you mean by "we", people working directly on implementing/supporting AMP? Anti-google crowd? Sure, you're probably right. But as someone who's just an end user, and not working on frontend development who likes AMP, I don't bother commenting when the opinion is extremely skewed to one side. I love AMP. The website loads faster, feels a lot snappier, and is overall positive experience for me. That's wha…

>I don't care how it got to that point

>just don't care if it means better results for me.

That's part of the issue though, isn't it? Privacy advocates on here and elsewhere point out frequently that part of the problem is that people don't care enough. There's a similar dynamic in this case.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by tomglynch »

vortico wrote: post #85
bluetidepro wrote: post #81

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The sites themselves are opting into AMP, I believe. Google isn't just converting the site to AMP automatically. The owners of the site themselves have to add code to their site for it to work with AMP...

Oh, I see. Never mind then. I've never used AMP so thought it was automatic for all or most websites on the internet.

Google strong-arms sites into implementing AMP by giving SEO boosts to those sites, such as showing your articles in the "Top stories" section

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#103

Post by jhabdas »

laumars wrote: post #98
bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

Agreed. Further to your point, AMP was only ever needed because we made our pages so artificiality heavy in the first place

It's okay to use more data. But it's important to respect users on faster mobile networks who pay by quota. Getting to the top of Google isn't at all difficult if you know how to build a fast website. And that doesn't require AMP at all.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by nurettin »

etrma wrote: post #94
bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

You think SEO specialists give a shit about AMP? They just care about how high your page ranks in Google--if anything, they'd love it if the web was more Google-centric.

This is sadly true. There is no universe in which e-commerce would not wholly try to swallow something that google recommends in order to increase their chances of ending up on the front page.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by grey-area »

laumars wrote: post #98
bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

Agreed. Further to your point, AMP was only ever needed because we made our pages so artificiality heavy in the first place

That's not why AMP is needed. It is needed (by google) to extend their dominance of search results into the results themselves. It is not needed by anyone else.

You can easily make pages lighter without AMP, and we shouldn't so easily swallow the reasons given by Google for its introduction.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#108

Post by TelmoMenezes »

a254613e wrote: post #71
OskarS wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on HN defend AMP. We all hate it. It's a pox on the modern web.

Depends on who you mean by "we", people working directly on implementing/supporting AMP? Anti-google crowd? Sure, you're probably right. But as someone who's just an end user, and not working on frontend development who likes AMP, I don't bother commenting when the opinion is extremely skewed to one side. I love AMP. The website loads faster, feels a lot snappier, and is overall positive experience for me. That's wha…

I highly doubt that you are just the "end user" you claim to be, otherwise you wouldn't be here, having this discussion. But let's assume that you are.

>Of course there's the argument with google trying to get a tighter grip on web and while that is not a good thing the truth is that I, and huge majority of average consumers, just don't care if it means better results for me.

What you are describing is the very common mix of "tragedy of the commons" + "pure utilitarianism". The future would be vastly better if everyone made a small sacrifice now, but each individual action counts for so little that you make the selfish but rational choice of letting others do the small sacrifice.

Maybe your page loads faster now, but this is happening by risking the destruction of the very environment that makes such pages worth reading (independent journalism, freedom from corporate control, etc.). In the long run, it means worse results for you, but your individual sacrifice is unlikely to have any effect. You feel selfish, so you rationalize a story where you are just the "common person" doing what makes sense.

The fact that we have a civilization is proof that there are ways out of this deadlock. For a long time, the answer was religion. We need something for the XXI century to play that role, i.e. making people think not only as individuals but also members of an entire species, ecosystem, etc.

Meanwhile, what you are saying amounts to: "fuck you, I got mine".

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by ehnto »

michaelmior wrote: post #70
shakna wrote: post #59

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They've proposed the 'portal' element in the last month [0] to replace the link with something... Different... Haven't they? [0] https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-launches-portals-a-new-...

Portal is moreso an alternative to iframes than an alternative to links. But it's true that it could very well make it more likely for a portal to another site to be included in a page rather than using a link.

They still use a link to source the embedded page as well, it's just that a portal is a bit more friendly with the host frame.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by ihuman »

jhabdas wrote: post #103
laumars wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Further to your point, AMP was only ever needed because we made our pages so artificiality heavy in the first place

It's okay to use more data. But it's important to respect users on faster mobile networks who pay by quota. Getting to the top of Google isn't at all difficult if you know how to build a fast website. And that doesn't require AMP at all.

> It's okay to use more data. But it's important to respect users on faster mobile networks who pay by quota.

Aren't those 2 sentences contradictory?

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