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Amazon’s Ring Is Putting Suspected Petty Thieves in Its Advertisements

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Post by will_brown »

dontbenebby wrote: post #4
lern_too_spel wrote: post #3

I don't see a problem. The police department posted the same video.

The difference is this is an ad. Commercial speech is subject to more regulation than private speech in America. For example, California has a right of publicity law. It's my understanding that even photos taken "in public" can't necessarily be used for commercial purposes: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-right-publicity-l...

Businesses post images and video of suspects all the time and solicit information.

Hell entertainment/production companies exist just to create shows that run these kinds of stories and solicit information from the public. Think of the host of FBIs most wanted who’s own child was famously kidnapped from a sears department store...you think sears, the FBI, or even the father have no right to show videos/images, public or private, that depict the suspect and solicit information from the public? Or even offer a reward for information leading to arrest?

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Post by millisecond »

discreditable wrote: post #87
paulgb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some states (including NY and CA) electricity is partially deregulated so you can choose from different providers, even though it all goes through the same grid. There are actually sales people who go door to door or set up booths to encourage people to switch, usually pitching it as cleaner energy and/or cost-saving.

These guys are a big part of why I rarely answer my door anymore.

Had one yelling at me through the home office window the other day. Took me 5 minutes of blowing off his various pitches to get rid of him. So annoying.

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Post by will_brown »

ppseafield wrote: post #45
throwawayatty wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the practical difference between a TV show like "COPS" (or any of its various descendants), which features police recordings of its interactions in public with possibly-innocent suspects, and what's happening here? Is it merely the association with a commercial product?

COPS like any TV show blurs people's faces unless they sign a release.

They don’t blur faces on FBIs most wanted, those suspects haven’t given permission to use their name/likeness...the show solicits information from the public and even offers rewards for information leading to arrest.

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Post by Xylakant »

joezydeco wrote: post #78
Xylakant wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be a very unusual circumstance for a person caught on camera performing a criminal act But the person wasn’t caught on camera performing a criminal act afaics. She was caught walking between two cars and pulling at a door handle, the car was locked, person continued. Is this criminal? Kids do that all the time. It’s alleged that the person did perform a criminal act elsewhere but was not caught on camera.

So perhaps this is a suspect due to other factors that aren't mentioned. Maybe the location of this video is near other documented break-ins and it fits a profile.

Yes, possibly. That would make it fine for law enforcement to use it. That doesn’t make it fine for a for-profit company to use it in advertising.

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Post by privateSFacct »

bdcravens wrote: post #16

On the Ring Neighbors app, you see all sorts of videos where the posters are making criminal accusations all the time. (usually it's a guy selling electricity door to door, but his skin tone is wrong, so they assume he's there to rob the house)

The door to door electricity sales are often scams -> and always totally misleading.

They claim to be working for your electric company (not true), they claim to keep your service you need to pick a provider (not true - you can keep your existing provider even with retail choice and even if you do nothing). They always seem to lie about the price (sometimes its ridiculous).

I've had them at our door. We have a locked building - the guy claimed that a neighbor suggested he talk with us. But he couldn't tell me which neighbor (this is a small condo - I know everyone, all our doors are within 30 feet of each other). He couldn't even point out which neighbor it was.

I do know of some folks who signed up with these guys and bragged for a bit about how much they were saving. Then they went radio silent.

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Post by will_brown »

geggam wrote: post #65
throwawayatty wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is out of an abundance of caution, not necessarily because the law requires it. This explains it: https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Cops-TV-show-need-to-get-sign...

As an atty I am sure you are aware folks can sue and typically he with the most money wins, regardless of law (see:OJ)

What does OJ have to do with a lawsuit and money?

OJ was tried criminally and was found not guilty (I assure you the state of California has more money than OJ, yet he prevailed).

OJ was then sued civilly for wrongful death by the Goldman’s (OJ probably had more money than the Goldman’s) and yet the Goldman’s prevailed in the civil suit.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

delfinom wrote: post #86
dzhiurgis wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US really need to deregulate (btw I find this word an oxymoron, but english is not my first language) their ISP's and most countries really need to deregulate their wireless providers. Imagine single shared spectrum easy to setup eSIM, easy to terminate contracts. Unfortunately most countries want your ID nowadays when you sign up for internet...

The problem is its not so easy to share spectrum. In reality you can only have a single transmitter/receiver on a given frequency band in a given area.

The problem is its not so easy to share spectrum. In reality you can only have a single transmitter/receiver on a given frequency band in a given area

In reality that hasn't been true for decades, beginning with the initial work on spread-spectrum communications in the WWII timeframe. But the regulatory system has yet to catch up fully with the technology's potential.

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Post by trhway »

>Amazon purchased Ring in 2018. The company sells surveillance camera systems, and recently filed two patent applications for facial recognition technology in its cameras that would automatically alert law enforcement to "suspicious" people.

next version will feature a drone quietly deployed to follow the "suspicious" person and to tazer the person upon the "suspiciousness" crossing the pre-determined threshold (established by the neighborhood).

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Post by awinder »

Balgair wrote: post #94
awinder wrote: post #68

In the video, the woman’s face is clearly visible and there is no obvious criminal activity taking place. The Facebook post shows her passing between two cars. She pulls the door handle of one of the cars, but it is locked. Yeah that's pretty clearly attempting to steal vehicles / contents of vehicles, that's 100% what that looks like.

Time out. Despite it being VICE News (who do not quote Sgt. Tim Dahl in the article for some reason), and despite one video of some person we know nothing about and lack all context for, the article is actually a good dive into some strange stuff that is occuring between Amazon, FB, and MVPD. Everyone should actually read the article and go look at the FB post by MVPD. The VICE headline is pure clickbait. That said,…

Agreed it’s overall a good article & the topic is nuanced for sure, it’s a great intro article and worthy of debate. But it’s also editorialized so do breathe.

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Post by geggam »

ceejayoz wrote: post #98
geggam wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the fact the constitution limits the govt and not the people. Given the fact the constitution says the govt cannot limit the freedom of movement. The govt cannot make laws limiting freedom of movement regardless of the method as they were not given that right by the constitution. Therefore driving as a form of movement cannot be regulated. There are also precedents discussing it Thompson v.Smith, 154 SE 579, 11…

> Given the fact the constitution limits the govt and not the people. Well, sorta. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively , or to the people."

States rights was decided during this little thing called the civil war.

Interstate travel cannot be regulated by the states and since freedom of movement is a right protected by the constitution.

You have to conclude interstate travel is a right. Granted the commerce clause can be used to regulate commercial travel but private travel cannot be ;)

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