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Re: iPadOS

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Post by stcredzero » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

jordache wrote: post #60

stcredzero wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah but once you learn it, you'll retain the knowledge Pretty much the attitude of people learning Windows or MacOS in the late 90's. ("literacy") It's gone from having to win an audience in the early iOS days, to firmly having the audience in the company's grasp.

what's the solution? not implement multi-finger gestures due to complexity and just omit the feature altogether? I'd rather have those capabilities? My drawing apps on iOS all have tons of multi-touch gestures. I appreciate they are there.

what's the solution?

Who says the situation needs solving? I'm just providing perspective.

I'd rather have those capabilities? My drawing apps on iOS all have tons of multi-touch gestures. I appreciate they are there.

That's the same attitude people had about Ctrl and Alt key shortcuts and power user features and function keys.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by 0815test » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:11 PM UTC

rhodysurf wrote: post #17

coliveira wrote: post #14

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There are already features that are available only for iPads. This only gives a name for the version that runs on iPads.

True. I am just wary of the line being drawn on the conservative side. Edit: wary not weary lol

I for one am wary of that same thing. But of course I'm also weary of it, all things considered. Funny that.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by dave5104 » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:13 PM UTC

justadudeama wrote: post #68

criddell wrote: post #51

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It goes the other way as well. There are already a bunch of iPhone-only features in iOS.

Like the calculator app.

This one boggles my mind. I probably wouldn't need it often, but there are some times where I wish I had it handy instead of needing to pick up my phone. (And without needing to install a 3rd party app.)

Re: iPadOS

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:14 PM UTC

rhodysurf wrote: post #2

I am nervous this means Apple will hold back features from iOS to get people to buy an iPad. For example, they announced the new Files app with iPadOS but there is no reason that shouldn't all be available on an iPhone.

Indeed. I really hope the SMB native support in Files comes to iOS. For example, I currently use Documents by Readdle, but I would love to eliminate that step.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by threeseed » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:16 PM UTC

pgm8705 wrote: post #9

Some of the features look pretty great but I can't help but fear the day when they decide to discontinue the Macbook.

MacBooks are selling well and it is their gateway model so crucial for the overall ecosystem.

Far more likely is that you see a MacBook with ARM CPU.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by kevinslashslash » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:17 PM UTC

ihuman wrote: post #24

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #16

This feels like it could become a repeat of Android Honeycomb, but iOS is a much more mature operating system now than Android was at the time, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

What happened with Honeycomb?

Gingerbread, Android 2.3, was released December 2010 for phones.

Honeycomb, Android 3.0, was released Feb 2011 for tablets. It was a radical new UI and introduced several new APIs. It was the largest Android update ever, except that no devices were updated to it. Android tablets didn't sell very well and developers had little to no reason to support Honeycomb.

Ice Cream Sandwich, Android 4.0, October 2011. This refined the Honeycomb changes and was appropriate for use on phones. It did work on tablets but wasn't really optimized for them until 4.1/jellybean.

Honeycomb wasn't a fork or anything, but the strong divergence and poor sales of Android tablets meant that no one wanted to target Honeycomb until they were actually targeting Ice Cream Sandwich, and then at that point it was barely worth supporting Honeycomb tablets, but still work supporting Gingerbread phones.

I don't think it's particular relevant to the iPadOS situation.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by 0815test » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:19 PM UTC

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #89

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #79

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Well, I suppose “obvious” is relative. I think an interface that presents you with multiple windows by default, and then lets you drag them, is a lot more discoverable than what the iPad is doing.

I agree. This is a challenge with the iOS (and Android) UIs, I think. Mice and trackpads have a more obvious and somewhat richer set of "verbs" for interaction, e.g., right-click versus "try tapping with two fingers," and menu bars make all their commands very easily discoverable in ways that toolbar-only UIs have a lot of trouble duplicating. I'm not sure, though, what a better approach is on the iPad, assuming that…

> This is a challenge with the iOS (and Android) UIs, I think. Mice and trackpads have a more obvious and somewhat richer set of "verbs" for interaction

GTK+3 has a good approach there, I think. It turns the window titlebar into a thick "header bar", which includes a "title" part for easy grabbing as well as a handful of button-accessible menus (fewer than the top levels in a traditional menubar), including a kitchen-sink "hamburger menu" for lesser-used options. It becomes a bit less convenient for mouse&keyboard use, but the touch usability is absolutely there. Too bad that running Linux on tablet-like computers is still way too fiddly, it could be a fierce competitor to the iPad ecosystem for more pro tasks.

Added: And on recent GTK+3 releases, one can shrink the window horizontally and the buttons will simply shift to the bottom when there's not enough room for them in the top headerbar. This solves a flexibility issue with the previous headerbar-only approach (especially on smaller or lower-res screens), while still being quite intuitive.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by threeseed » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:20 PM UTC

OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #33

Why are we as developers giving this company any of our business when they've thumbed their noses at us for decades?

Weird. As a developer I haven't found Apple to be thumbing their nose at me.

Many of their features are genuinely useful for my development e.g. TouchBar.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by uses » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:21 PM UTC

As a web developer, what on earth does this mean?

> desktop sites are now the default in Safari

Surely it's not some kind of meddling with the device width to make responsive web design even more confusing. That would be very odd.

My hope is that it's some kind of user agent manipulation that thwarts device sniffing so you don't see a mobile phone stylesheet or get redirected to a mobile site while using your iPad.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by DisruptiveDave » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 8:22 PM UTC

rhodysurf wrote: post #2

I am nervous this means Apple will hold back features from iOS to get people to buy an iPad. For example, they announced the new Files app with iPadOS but there is no reason that shouldn't all be available on an iPhone.

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