My problem with slack or discord is that once you join a group, there are just too many channels and sub channels to follow.
Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again
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Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again
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I pay for IRCCloud, but the problem is that it only fixes everything for you . It does you almost no good when nobody else can receive a message after they close their laptop or go through a tunnel. The IRC communities speak for themselves. Pretty much all regulars, no new blood, tiny, and opinionated grouches that are kinda hard to stand. You'd think #javascript or #node.js on Freenode would be pretty big. Nah, I'm…
Ease of use is definitely a big factor. It would be interesting to see if it were possible to try to build a community using IRCCloud first and basically use it as "Slack but with an irc gateway that will never go away". Their free tier modalities seem a bit too restrictive to allow that though.
That used to be the story. I used to offer a Mibbit gateway to my IRC community that got a lot of use 10 years ago.
But today, it's a hard sell. IRCCloud doesn't compete on features against alternatives services, it's strictly worse since it has less to work with.
When a user adds your community, it gets added to a list of all their other servers on Slack/Discord. The question has become "so why are you making us use this instead of setting up a Slack/Discord/etc server like everyone else?"
And I think you'll be hard pressed to answer them in a satisfying way. And for no real gain.
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Well that's the whole idea behind Snapchat, but I get your point. Sometimes I wish I didn't have so many messages saved forever tho, honestly.
Not just persistence in terms of "exists after I read it", but in terms of getting the messages at all. When someone sends you a snap while you don't have snapchat open, you get a push notification about it and the message is waiting on the server for you to read it. In IRC, anything that happens while you don't have an active session just doesn't exist. That might work for some communities, like programming language…
almost every single irc server since 94 or so have some sort of logger. if not, it's an intentional design choice for that one community.
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I remember IRC in the late 90s, early 2000s having A LOT (like 9 out of 10) of people who otherwise had no idea about computers (remember droves of people disconnecting after 'Press Alt+F4 to get @'?). People who didn't knew the difference between a file and a directory (or folder) were on IRC with channels having hundreds of people. If someone can figure out Facebook (and trust me, Facebook is far from intuitive for…
Lack of conversation persistence is a real problem. It's 2019 and people expect to have it. If messages disappear into the ether while I'm not actively connected to the room, it's not going to work for participating in a group conversation. Yeah you can set up some always-connected relay on a server and bounce your client through it to still get the conversation backlog when you weren't online, but it's not reasonabl…
Yeah sure, conversation persistence is neat although personally i do not consider a must have. Regardless, my comment was really about how "noob friendly" IRC was/is.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just persistence in terms of "exists after I read it", but in terms of getting the messages at all. When someone sends you a snap while you don't have snapchat open, you get a push notification about it and the message is waiting on the server for you to read it. In IRC, anything that happens while you don't have an active session just doesn't exist. That might work for some communities, like programming language…
almost every single irc server since 94 or so have some sort of logger. if not, it's an intentional design choice for that one community.
You're suggesting people scour logs for missed messages as if that's seriously your pitch for "IRC has that, too."
This is exactly why people who are pro-IRC are watching the sun set on IRC and they don't have a flaming clue why beyond condescending suspicions like "it's the users who are idiots."
Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again
#106It turns out being connected with good friends/family is a lot more enjoyable than being connected with every random person you had a university course with once.
Facebook is going to be your rolodex (A "facebook" even! good name for it) and then there's going to be a heavily segmented private social network for your friends / families to connect and share photos. Figuring out how to make that happen with limited / minor work for the user is the challenge.
Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again
#107My problem with slack or discord is that once you join a group, there are just too many channels and sub channels to follow.
For Discord, I tend to mute all but the most relevant ones. This usually ends up being the general channel or the one or two channels that I actually cared about and why I joined in the first place.
I tend to treat channels as faster paced forums, more or less.
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#108The article doesn't cover this, but how do people discover these group chats? All the Discord servers I've joined I've essentially found by word-of-mouth, which doesn't seem very high tech. In the old days you'd find the interesting online forums by "surfing the web".
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No emoji/pictures/link previews is a feature to me. You know if someone posts a link nobody's going to click.
You’re in the super tiny minority that actually likes IRC. Why would you think everyone’s the same way, even when all evidence points otherwise?
I agree. I know most people don't think the same way. But my friends and I do, that's why we keep using EFnet.
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There are other groups who heavily use these features. We've got over a thousand custom emojis in my Slack at work. Our interactions would be just slightly less rich without :badpokerface:, :sadpanda:, or :superhero:.
Balls. Emoticons were plenty rich, they just require too much creativity for this lazy set.
For some reason these IRC vs X discussions always have the IRC party attributing character flaws to everyone else.
Like not being creative enough to read the same amount of information from ":)" and specific, rich, custom emoji like, I don't know, someone simply shrugging. That's some bizarre self-aggrandizement.
I encourage you to go on a Twitch channel and tell me the :) equivalent of all the custom Twitch/channel images you see in chat.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/14/17335670/twitch-emotes-mea...
Could you break these down for us?