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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by threeseed »

sabareesh wrote: post #99
nickbarnwell wrote: post #16

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The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-range AWD models. The more expensive "First Edition" id.3 will have approx 425km of range for 35.000 > x Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…

I dont get people keep complaining about Tesla interior. I love the interior on my model 3 much better than any car I have been in. Can you list some of the things you dont like

Just need one. It looks and feels cheap.

Very much similar to what you would get in a Hyundai or Mazda.

Go spend some time in a new Audi, Mercedes, Range Rover and you will see the difference.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by threeseed »

pbreit wrote: post #66
mft_ wrote: post #7

Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…

I think Tesla was smart to appeal initially to the European automotive fans. I've bought German all my life but my next car will be a Tesla. Think I think the made-in-America customers will come around. I think the Asian car fans will be a little trickier because of the price/quality proposition. Although it seems like the Prius fans are already coming over.

Might want to look into the service situation before buying a Tesla.

Seems to be an area that never gets properly talked about and we've seen examples posted of people waiting up to a year for repairs. That's completely unacceptable.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by threeseed »

bdamm wrote: post #37
jdietrich wrote: post #23

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>Short term, Tesla could really make VW hurt by ramping up production and dropping price and competing with both their ICE and non ICE offerings. That's a very big could . Tesla have an advantage in terms of battery availability, but they simply don't have the expertise and the experience to build cars at real scale. Tesla are literally building cars as fast as they can, but they've still got a multi-year backlog of…

VW also has years of fooling themselves by prioritorizing the diesel technology over electric development and running an enormous fraud in the process. This will have held them back. I don't think VW can ramp up as fast as they will want.

Musk goes around calling people pedophiles and is high on Ambien half the time.

Does that mean we should discount Tesla'a manufacturing ability as well ? Or maybe this like the diesel issue has nothing to do with manufacturing.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by ridged »

konschubert wrote: post #60
Shivetya wrote: post #30

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Range Battery Cooling technology, steer clear of air cooled Charging rates Weight Cd From my view weight is the big limiting factor in EV efficiency at lower speeds and Cd becomes more important as you increase your speed to highway numbers and higher. Engines are important as the company Munro pointed out during their tear downs. They stated that Tesla had by far the most impressive EV motor they have seen based aro…

The interesting thing is that these motors are not made by Tesla.

Who is making them? It seems they are making them in their factory, but is another company manufacturing them?

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Post by petre »

pcardoso wrote: post #77
razster wrote: post #65

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Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

I had a multiple VWs, including an 2001 Bora TDI (the EU name of the Jetta) and they were very reliable. Still, some cars are born a lemon.

The Bora was good, we had one as well, sold it and bought a Civic that had its share of issues. However I would not buy a VW electric, not after Dieselgate. They're cheaters and cheaters need to be punushed.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by Fins »

sabareesh wrote: post #100
Fins wrote: post #32

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Audi and Jaguar are also luxury cars, and X isn't.

Ok how do you define luxury car.

Quality, amenities, service experience, stuff like that. Not making things inherently more dangerous is nice, too.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by edent »

> buyers will get up to 2,000kWh of charging for free during the first year.

That's about £250 worth of electricity - if you charge solely at home. From fast chargers, that's about £750 - £1,000.

Not a bad incentive if you do lots of long journeys and need to charge at a motorway service station. But perhaps not as generous as it sounds for more typical use.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by izacus »

greglindahl wrote: post #95
batbomb wrote: post #93

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If they only sold 1400 of them, then more than 10% of them must drive on the 280 every day.

It's a "compliance car" intended to meet California EV sales minimums. So yes, you see more of them on 280 than you might expect from the total US sales.

CleanTechnica reports that VW sold 10.000 eGolfs in EU in 2018 Q1 + Q2, so that claim of "1400" sounds very very wrong.

According to Wiki they sold 30k vehicles at minimum before 2018. Nowhere near Tesla 3 numbers, but claiming that it only sold 1400 vehicles is just wrong.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by mikestew »

Tcepsa wrote: post #86
mikestew wrote: post #59

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The only regret with pre-ordering a Nissan Leaf before release was that the company Nissan hired to run the pre-orders fucked it up. People who ordered up to six months after we did got their cars months before we did. But when we were finally given a hard date, it showed up on that date, and we've been happy with it since. The only reason I don't jump in line for the ID is because my wife and I are really hoping the…

If this[0] is what you're talking about, my wife and I also really want it to be a thing! (EDIT: If it's not , would you mind posting a link?) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_I.D._Buzz

That's the one. Pretty much decided we've purchased our last ICE, and the '05 Scion xB DogMobile wouldn't hurt to be replaced by 2022.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by nickbarnwell »

sabareesh wrote: post #99
nickbarnwell wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-range AWD models. The more expensive "First Edition" id.3 will have approx 425km of range for 35.000 > x Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…

I dont get people keep complaining about Tesla interior. I love the interior on my model 3 much better than any car I have been in. Can you list some of the things you dont like

Though much improved since the early days, both the 3 and the S have considerably worse fit and finish and material quality than competitively priced vehicles. Whether for weight, cost, or complexity savings, they also eschew a lot of sound deadening material.

A $50,000 C class or A4 has a far nicer cabin than anything Tesla has produced, and when you start moving up into E or F segment vehicles the difference is even more pronounced. My 2010 B8 wagon with 115k on it has fewer creaks and rattles than a coworker's 2016 S with a third of that.

Infotainment wise, I find Audi's Virtual Cockpit to be incredibly well done and quite like MMI as a whole. I've not used the latest BMW or MB product that's just been released recently, but both seem to be garnering quite good reviews.

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