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Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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TulliusCicero wrote: post #64
nickjj wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you unable to walk around your neighborhood in SV, Seattle and other places? I live on Long Island (not NYC) but it's not hard to find places to walk around in safety. I put in 3-5 miles (roughly 6,000 - 10,000 steps going by Google) a day just aimlessly walking side streets for general exercise and clearing my mind. When I visited SV it didn't seem too bad downtown. Can't speak for the other places though. But i…

> Are you unable to walk around your neighborhood in SV, Seattle and other places? Of course walking is possible. It's just generally some combination of useless and highly unpleasant[1]. Let me give you an example of what I mean: in SV, I mostly recently lived in a mobile home park. The mobile home itself was largely fine, it was brand new when we moved in actually, and because it's a Silicon Valley mobile home park…

Sorry about that, I meant to put downtown SF not SV (got mixed up). Downtown in the sense that it was the city'ish area with large buildings. I only had a chance to really drive through the SV area.

Walking in general sucks in my area if you want to talk about being practical. If you don't have a car on Long Island then you're going to be in a world of hurt in most cases. You often need to drive 10 or 20 minutes to get from point A to B.

But maybe I just live in a weird area. I've been walking for the sake of walking for years and there's a number of people I consistently run into. It's a tiny percent of people compared to the general population but they are there. I see them every day and it's a small mix of people.

I was just saying you can walk for the sake of walking just about anywhere if you really wanted to.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by TulliusCicero »

nickjj wrote: post #101
TulliusCicero wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you unable to walk around your neighborhood in SV, Seattle and other places? Of course walking is possible. It's just generally some combination of useless and highly unpleasant[1]. Let me give you an example of what I mean: in SV, I mostly recently lived in a mobile home park. The mobile home itself was largely fine, it was brand new when we moved in actually, and because it's a Silicon Valley mobile home park…

Sorry about that, I meant to put downtown SF not SV (got mixed up). Downtown in the sense that it was the city'ish area with large buildings. I only had a chance to really drive through the SV area. Walking in general sucks in my area if you want to talk about being practical. If you don't have a car on Long Island then you're going to be in a world of hurt in most cases. You often need to drive 10 or 20 minutes to g…

SF is indeed one of the best places in the US for walking. And yet Munich still has like 5x the walking mode share. That's how huge the gap is with walkability between the two countries. Even the best US areas are chump change in comparison.

> Walking in general sucks in my area if you want to talk about being practical.

Right, and this is true nearly everywhere in the US. But it doesn't have to be. I see towns of a few thousand in Germany that are much more walkable than most US cities 100x their size.

> I was just saying you can walk for the sake of walking just about anywhere if you really wanted to.

For sure. People won't, though.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by rcombine »

ubertakter wrote: post #17

So, what's their average total caloric intake? Hmm... 2400-2700/day[1] which is not in the Lancet article[2], but I did find that in an American Journal of Clinical Nutrition reference[3]. It appears they get lots of exercise, which isn't surprising. [1] https://coach.nine.com.au/2018/11/05/14/03/tsimane-diet-card... [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315262221_Coronary_... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/…

That is even more illuminating. They eat primarily unrefined carbs like rice, corn, and plantains, 2400~2700 calories worth of it a day (more than I eat!), and yet they are very healthy and fit. Considering the numbers, it really looks like the difference is the amount of physical activity.

I think that sedentary humans are just not supposed to eat as much as we think or want to do.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by TulliusCicero »

nickjj wrote: post #99
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #61

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Basic google tells me that your upper range (5 miles) is still only around 10k steps. You’ll need to walk another 60-70% more to achieve what they do, which is where much of the effort can be in.

I've been going 3-5 miles for over 5 years because it makes me feel good. I never heard of these people or their habits until yesterday. By the way, if you can walk 5 miles effortlessly, you can probably walk an entire day with little breaks. I've done some 15+ mile walking sessions in NYC. By the end of it, it's really not bad if it's a nice day out (it can get ridiculously hot and cold in NYC).

Most people don't have 1-1.5 hours to spend each day walking purely for health reasons. That's why supporting active transportation is so important and useful.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by kup0 »

tpush wrote: post #2

"It means: 72% of calories come from carbohydrates compared with 52% in the US 14% from fat compared with 34% in the US, Tsimane also consume much less saturated fat Both Americans and Tsimane have 14% of calories from protein, but Tsimane have more lean meat" That really does seem counter to the low-carb diets that seem to be all the rage among internet communities (also HN). But, maybe it's just the constant exerci…

Seems like exercise is probably a big factor here. Exercise can help curb insulin spikes caused by high carb intake, among its other benefits

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by YUMad »

Scaevolus wrote: post #13

> At the age of 45, almost no Tsimane had CAC in their arteries while 25% of Americans do. > By the time they reach age 75, two-thirds of Tsimane are CAC-free compared with the overwhelming majority of Americans (80%) having signs of CAC. The article doesn't mention obesity at all . 40% of Americans over 40 are obese[1]. Tsimane obesity rates of adults (>20 years) are 5.6% for women and 1.6% for men[2]. Journalists l…

Dietary composition _is_ the key. No hunter-gatherer group has ever exceeded 50% of total caloric intake coming from plants, especially not from simple sugars.
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