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#101

They’re fine. But stock buybacks and dividends are a waste. I’d rather that money (I’m a shareholder with not enough shares to matter but oh well) be used to purchase companies like a Netflix (too late now of course) or a Disney (also too late) or making bigger purchases to control more of their supply chain like buying a Qualcomm or increase the R&D budget by double maybe. 75B in buybacks just juices the EPS numbers…

Realistically they've run out of blockbuster new products and are just hoping high-end phone and tablet sales will keep growing enough to keep their stock from cratering. Acquiring Disney makes no sense since they are completely different businesses. Stock buybacks and dividends are fine if they can't spend their cash reserves efficiently. If I were them I'd do more to encourage and help high quality software development for their hardware and hope someone develops a killer app that drives more sales.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On 1 quarter YoY basis, their core iPhone business saw a plateau slowdown of -17.3% ($31B). iPad saw 21.5% growth ($4.9B) and their newest categories Wearables (Watch/Airpods) saw a 30% jump ($5.13B) whilst their Service Revenue increased 16.2% ($11.45B). Despite their Apple News+, Apple Card, Apple Arcade and Apple TV+ services/subscription revenues not having kicked in yet so I'd expect they'll return to overall re…

What is a full cylinder?

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Re: Apple Q2 Results

#103

They’re fine. But stock buybacks and dividends are a waste. I’d rather that money (I’m a shareholder with not enough shares to matter but oh well) be used to purchase companies like a Netflix (too late now of course) or a Disney (also too late) or making bigger purchases to control more of their supply chain like buying a Qualcomm or increase the R&D budget by double maybe. 75B in buybacks just juices the EPS numbers…

Why don’t you take the money from the dividends and spend it on Netflix shares? If Tim Cook went and spent all that cash on some company you don’t like, wouldn’t you be mad? If there’s one company Apple shareholders can agree is a good idea to buy... it’s Apple.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Apple is a very capital efficient company and already spends a tremendous amount on R&D. Just like the concept of the mythical man-month, the marginal utility of investing additional money in r&d goes down as r&d spend goes up. Or to put it a simpler way, Apple is running out of effective avenues to invest their money. The correct move in that situation is to return the capital to shareholders, and stock…

I will concede the point on the tax efficency of stock buy backs. But where I find we are in disagreement is in the purchasing of companies. An apple with Netflix and Disney would make Apple TV+ a whole lot better out of the gate than otherwise. Netflix has proven it can do original content and Disney's back catalog (now that they've bought Fox) is too big to laugh at. Owning Qualcomm would be immediately accretive t…

I don't necessarily want them to buy Netflix but I feel that they could have invested a lot of this money they are returning to shareholders via share buyback into funding to make more content. Netflix is going to spend $10-15 billion this year to make original shows and movies vs just $1 billion for Apple. So if Apple wants to go all-in on services business then they need to spend like one.

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post #18

> The Company posted quarterly revenue of $58 billion, a decline of 5 percent from the year-ago quarter, and quarterly earnings per diluted share of $2.46, down 10 percent. So they are shrinking, not growing.

On 1 quarter YoY basis, their core iPhone business saw a plateau slowdown of -17.3% ($31B). iPad saw 21.5% growth ($4.9B) and their newest categories Wearables (Watch/Airpods) saw a 30% jump ($5.13B) whilst their Service Revenue increased 16.2% ($11.45B). Despite their Apple News+, Apple Card, Apple Arcade and Apple TV+ services/subscription revenues not having kicked in yet so I'd expect they'll return to overall re…

The elephant in the room is that the iphone revenues are down because volumes are down because the price is to high for the iphone X (and not compensating for the reduced volumes). All the other revenue is upselling to people who own iphones. They are doing really well with that. Nevertheless the iphone doing poorly is bad news long term for Apple because it shrinks that market. Long term, their strategy of growing sevice business is tied to keeping people inside the apple ecosystem. Short term it's not an issue because there are lots of people hanging onto their old iphones.

I think it's a fixable problem to come up with a cheaper/more attractive product than the current iphone. Simply dropping the price might do the trick for a lot of people. In the same way the keyboard situation is a fixable problem that might improve their fortunes on the laptop front.

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#107

They’re fine. But stock buybacks and dividends are a waste. I’d rather that money (I’m a shareholder with not enough shares to matter but oh well) be used to purchase companies like a Netflix (too late now of course) or a Disney (also too late) or making bigger purchases to control more of their supply chain like buying a Qualcomm or increase the R&D budget by double maybe. 75B in buybacks just juices the EPS numbers…

Many times buybacks is not in the best interest of company but they are forced upon by "activist investors". This is how Icahn netted $2 billion in just 32 months from Apple: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/carl-icahns-2-billion-appl...

Re: Apple Q2 Results

#108

They’re fine. But stock buybacks and dividends are a waste. I’d rather that money (I’m a shareholder with not enough shares to matter but oh well) be used to purchase companies like a Netflix (too late now of course) or a Disney (also too late) or making bigger purchases to control more of their supply chain like buying a Qualcomm or increase the R&D budget by double maybe. 75B in buybacks just juices the EPS numbers…

I disagree. Apple is a very capital efficient company and already spends a tremendous amount on R&D. Just like the concept of the mythical man-month, the marginal utility of investing additional money in r&d goes down as r&d spend goes up. Or to put it a simpler way, Apple is running out of effective avenues to invest their money. The correct move in that situation is to return the capital to shareholders, and stock…

> marginal utility of investing additional money in r&d goes down as r&d spend goes up

This would be true if there are no new products with huge potential to explore. I strongly believe any company's future depends on diversification. Your old products will eventually start becomming commodity with margin race to the bottom. Companies like Apple needs to come up with new product line every two years. To get one new product out, you need to invest in R&D for may be 10 internally because other 9 won't pan out. For each new product you eventually got out, most likely half might not show promise longer term to become big. So you are probably left with 1 big product coming out every 4 years and at the same time your previous big product that is ~12 years old starting to become low margin commodity. Apple is certainly doing great by putting out series of new products at predictable schedule but I think this could easily be twice of current rate given the untapped potential in so many areas.

Re: Apple Q2 Results

#109

They’re fine. But stock buybacks and dividends are a waste. I’d rather that money (I’m a shareholder with not enough shares to matter but oh well) be used to purchase companies like a Netflix (too late now of course) or a Disney (also too late) or making bigger purchases to control more of their supply chain like buying a Qualcomm or increase the R&D budget by double maybe. 75B in buybacks just juices the EPS numbers…

Agree on stock buybacks and dividends are a waste, and big bet like Steve era. Disagree on buying companies. At least not Netflix and Disney, both are content companies and does not fit into Apple's business model. Not to mention a gigantic company like the two requires lots of human resources to integrate as the 2nd reply mentions.

It is all about value. Apple has always been extremely good at value creation. That is what innovation is all about. Except the values Apple has to offer has been in decline, in iPhone and Mac Segment, and in their use of cash.

Looking back in the past 10-12 years of Smartphone revolution, we are obviously in the late cycle where even the entry $200 to $400 Model are good enough for many. We are already seeing Huawei and Samsung A Series doing extremely well. I had always thought those Cheaper Chinese SmartPhones such as Oppo, OnePlus, Vivo, Xiaomi, would have cost a lot more in EU and US when they had to pay more patents and other operation expenses. Turns out that is not true. They are selling it at only a slight premium to China's pricing, vast majority of them below $500. While the current cheapest iPhone starts at $449 for a "small screen " and $569 for what is now considered a normal screen in many market, with lower quality camera. And it is obvious these Phone aren't competing very well.

What could those $400B+ have done that went into Stock buyback over the years? I would have thought instead of going to Intel's route 5 years ago, having their own modem team would be one. Had they invested in it 5 years ago they would already have their own Modem shipping in 2018's iPhone. Not to mention having a major BOM cost advantage which both currently Huawei and Samsung enjoys.

Opening More Apple Stores, Apple had ~430 in 2014 and ~460 Stores by end of 2015. Today Apple had ~510 Store Worldwide.they now have 1.4B devices. During those 600M+ devices usage increases between ~2015 - 2019, Apple had less than 60 Stores opening world-wide. In 2015 I expected Apple Store to reach at least 1000 by 2020, but right now they are only half way there.

Quickly admitting mistakes like TouchBar and Keyboard. You may not even need to do recall, but actually work on alternative or better solution instead of waiting to recoup whatever your initial investment into the technology ( Also Force Touch ). This is very Tim Cook Style of handling. You could imagine Steve using the Keyboard himself, having space bar double spacing and the eee key stuck. And what he will do inside Apple Park.

Going into Market that may not always have your target Gross Margin and Net Profits. Like TV, I still don't understand why Apple is not entering the TV set Market. And why they abandon the Router market. Just because the Net Profits margin could not fit within the 20% required of Apple. Both would have been a much better experience, instead they went with a Profit Margin based product like HomePod.

Re: Apple Q2 Results

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post #18

> The Company posted quarterly revenue of $58 billion, a decline of 5 percent from the year-ago quarter, and quarterly earnings per diluted share of $2.46, down 10 percent. So they are shrinking, not growing.

Remove China from their numbers, and they are growing. China's economy is still cratering.

>China's economy is still cratering.

Except Huawei manage a 30%+ growth in its own region.

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