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Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Post by craftyguy »

cyphar wrote: post #19

It's a bit of a shame that Librem Tunnel doesn't use WireGuard, though I imagine they'll switch once it's in mainline. Otherwise, seems like a pretty neat idea -- it could open the door to more lay-people using open protocols like Matrix without everyone jumping on Matrix.org for free or having to self-host. I am interested to see how the Librem Files/Backup system will work if it comes about (I would guess NextCloud…

> It's a bit of a shame that Librem Tunnel doesn't use WireGuard, though I imagine they'll switch once it's in mainline.

It's a bit of a shame that WireGuard still requires out of tree components to work.. I'm rooting for it to get accepted/merged, but until it does it just becomes a greater risk to build a business off of it.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Post by craftyguy »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

I like Librem, though I am a little concerned here. I prefer if hardware and services comes from different companies. Even well intentioned, it can be easy for a company to fall into vertical integration... Imagine a Librem 5 working best with their own service, and support for alternatives being a little weaker or less prioritized.

As long as I can completely remove, 100%, their 'add-on' services, and still use their OS/hardware, I'd be happy.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Post by marcus_holmes »

cblades wrote: post #25

This is really frustrating, and basically the exact same thread as happened a while back with another list of "ethical alternatives". You can't call something ethical without going into detail about what you mean. and: Policy No Ads No Tracking We respect you is not useful. The value in ethics is in the conversation around what is ethical, not in a big, friendly "this is ethical" sticker. This is as useful as "do no…

isn't "ethical" one of those subjective terms though?

so... no-one can say their product/service is "ethical" without getting into a semantic argument about what "ethical" means

or... anyone can call their product/service "ethical" and it's up to the buyer to work out if their definition of that agrees

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Post by [deleted] »

oever wrote: post #89
nickelcitymario wrote: post #40

Lots of great criticism on this thread. Lots of great reasons to maybe stay away from Purism. However... What I personally think is really interesting here is the bundle. I don't want to pay $10/month for a Twitter clone. I don't want to pay it for VPN. I don't want to pay it for email, or file storage, or contact manager, or payment system. But as a bundle? $10/month to actually solve all of my digital privacy conce…

ISPs could offer this bundle as part of the internet connection like they (used to) offer an email account and web page.

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Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Post by ncmncm »

benburleson wrote: post #10
diggan wrote: post #3

First sentence is "Purism is a Social Purpose Corporation (SPC), which means we put social good above exploiting people". I've never heard of a SPC before (probably because I'm not from the US) so had to look it up. It seems it's still a for-profit corporation, just that it "enables, but does not require, considering social or environmental issues in decision making". Which means that "which means we put social good…

With "normal" corporations, shareholders can sue if business decisions are not made to maximize shareholder profit.

Shareholders can sue anytime, for any reason, or none at all.

What matters is whether they can win, or cost enough that you have to settle. It appears that shareholders have not had much luck with such gambits.

So this is really more marketing phenomenon: "we won't be as bad as FAGAM", and we rely on the people who chose to work there to keep it honest.

That can work as long as they don't get too big, or too cozy.

Cautionary examples include the American Cancer Society (wholly lost) and the Red Cross (mismanaged).

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Post by ncmncm »

aurora72 wrote: post #71

I'm too much disappointed with this bullshit, because it's coming from a company which I really appreciated 'n respected. AFAIK, Purism hasn't yet delivered the Librem 5 phone. If that's case, then it's a priority violation. Now, the best Purism can do is abort this bullshit and pay all the backers their money back before it's too late.

It is not clear to me that the two are competing for resources. Getting a phone working requires completely different staff from bringing up online services, and a steady cash flow can lift the pots on all the burners.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Post by jammygit »

1023bytes wrote: post #16

This is quite dishonest, they make it seem like they develop the apps themselves. But they don't and they give no credit to the actual original apps. Librem Chat = Riot.im Librem Social = Mastodon (specifically the Tusky app) Librem Mail = K9 Mail Librem Tunnel = OpenVPN

When I scrolled down I saw some of the the base Foss projects get named in a list.

Librem Mail – Standard SMTP/IMAP/POP MTA, with OpenPGP

Librem Tunnel – OpenVPN

Librem Chat – Matrix, XMPP (coming soon)

Librem Social – ActivityPub

Edit: formatting

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Post by inputmice »

Arathorn wrote: post #84
1023bytes wrote: post #16

This is quite dishonest, they make it seem like they develop the apps themselves. But they don't and they give no credit to the actual original apps. Librem Chat = Riot.im Librem Social = Mastodon (specifically the Tusky app) Librem Mail = K9 Mail Librem Tunnel = OpenVPN

Speaking as the project lead for Matrix - we are hoping that we will see some kind of financial support from Purism to fund the prioritised bugfixes/features/support they need around Synapse and Riot to ensure Librem.one's (and the Librem 5's) success.

$8/month is rather steep for some email and IM hosting. So there should be revenue left to share with you and the other upstream projects.

Personal side note: I’m not a fan of branding open source apps. It delays security updates and waters down the original brands; Riot and K9 have good reputations; Why not utilize those?

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