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Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by makz »

pimeys wrote: post #2

Been running 6.5 snapshots in my travel laptop for some weeks and everything just works. The laptop is a ThinkPad X200 which is a bit slow for my needs, but upgrading it to ThinkPad X230 later this week should help. I really enjoy how simple the system is after all these years with Linux. I will always continue using Linux in my main computers, but for surfing, some hobby programming and as a travel OS OpenBSD defini…

I’m curious about what you consider a “travel OS” and how is that different from regular OS.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by snazz »

pimeys wrote: post #88
pimeys wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like simplicity. I use i3, Firefox with enough privacy extensions, Emacs and terminal. And I love to be able to have a great keyboard, where sadly the ThinkPads are the only choice nowadays. Using Mac OS X or Windows will give me a headache. I just don't like their user interface. And I've used both of them a lot; I had my G4 iMac with 10.0.0 back in the days, and kind of liked 10.3.0 until Linux won me over again.

(P.S. why every OS thread in HN always turns into discussion about Apple?)

People are very change-resistant when it comes to OS and text editor choice and don’t understand how the other side lives without $feature_of_choice.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by smhenderson »

asveikau wrote: post #96
mikece wrote: post #9

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>I really enjoy how simple the system is after all these years with Linux. I still shake my head when I think back to the 90s and how Linux managed to overtake the BSDs. Good to see they are still very much alive and moving forward.

The weird thing, though, is that 90s Linux felt a little more like the BSDs than Linux usually does today. I mean, the BSDs were always a bit more coherent, but the default install of a typical Linux distro felt a lot less "heavy" in the past. You can switch from Linux to one of the *BSDs and feel like you are bringing back the glory days. Maybe this is a complaint about Ubuntu, or gnome, or systemd.

I tend to agree. I started with Slackware when I first used Linux and it is heavily inspired by BSD. It remains so today so I've switched back to using it for day to day work and on a few servers I manage.

All other servers are using OpenBSD so it looks like I've got some upgrades to get to!

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by toast0 »

floatboth wrote: post #95
Hello71 wrote: post #25

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> new recursive resolver instead of using unbound or dnsmasq systemd-resolv e d is a non-recursive resolver. so is dnsmasq.

What's the correct word for "something local that talks to 8.8.8.8/whatever and caches responses" if not recursive? Forwarding?

That's a stub resolver.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

#105

Post by snazz »

sdfsdfsdfsdf3 wrote: post #10
pimeys wrote: post #2

Been running 6.5 snapshots in my travel laptop for some weeks and everything just works. The laptop is a ThinkPad X200 which is a bit slow for my needs, but upgrading it to ThinkPad X230 later this week should help. I really enjoy how simple the system is after all these years with Linux. I will always continue using Linux in my main computers, but for surfing, some hobby programming and as a travel OS OpenBSD defini…

Odd that you put this on a the travel laptop and not the desktop, I imagine most OS polygot its the inverse for things like battery life, touchpad drivers, webcam driver. Am curious why not make the switch on desktop? Same semantics? Same dotfiles? Do you use the same window manager across both linux and openbsd? Also what's the "much nicer" you refer to.. Please sell me

Battery life is about double Windows and equivalent to Linux on my X220. Touchpad works out of the box on all my laptops including gestures, but I use the TrackPoint. Even without a big bloated DE installed, brightness and volume hotkeys Just Work[tm].

Try it on an old laptop and maybe you’ll like it.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by toast0 »

justinsaccount wrote: post #11

> First release of unwind(8), a validating, recursive nameserver for 127.0.0.1. It is particularly suitable for laptops moving between networks. When systemd-resolvd was first released it was the biggest mistake ever to write a new recursive resolver instead of using unbound or dnsmasq. Also since DNS ".. wasn't broken, so it did not need fixing". I wonder if unwind will be received with the same hostility.

The difference is mostly in the track record of the people behind the effort.

DNS software in general has left behind a trail of security vulnerabilities. The systemd team has also left behind a trail of security vulnerabilities. I don't want a team who isn't focused on security to replace something security critical when the existing software seemed fine enough.

On the other hand, the OpenBSD team consistently delivers on small, focused utilities, built with security in mind that usually reduce the scope of the utility to the minimum required.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by bitmadness »

I don't think it has been actually released yet... The main page is still pointing to OpenBSD 6.4, and the 6.5 page says it will be released on May 1.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by brohee »

chousuke wrote: post #55
yarrel wrote: post #51

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The BSDs are operating systems. SystemD hasn't yet admitted that it is.

Hasn't admitted? As far as I know, it is an explicitly stated goal of the systemd project to provide an integrated (compared to whatever each distribution assembled together to provide one) base system on top of the Linux kernel with the intent of making the best use of the features provided by the kernel. It seems to me that Lennart looked at the tightly integrated base system + kernel approach of the BSDs and decid…

Except it's not tightly integrated on OpenBSD, and that you can replace any component for any reason without the whole thing collapsing.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by smhenderson »

tedunangst wrote: post #94
brynet wrote: post #86

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You're reading the manual upgrade guide, for remote systems where you would otherwise cannot boot the ramdisk kernel to upgrade, which handles all of that for you. If you have console access to the machine, serial or glass. Things are far easier.

More evidence the hard way instructions should simply be deleted.

Don't let one guy ruin it for the rest of us!

Thanks for your work on OpenBSD Ted.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by brohee »

badsectoracula wrote: post #100
fstephany wrote: post #46

This is some serious OpenBSD artwork. I would love that they reconsider the 'no product' policy. I understand the logistical nightmare of pressed CDs though...

Well, at this point it'd be pressed dual layer blu rays though, i downloaded the entire version and just the amd64 directories are around 45GB in size. I do not understand why they feel the need to associate OS versions with 3rd party packages though, why have an OpenBSD 6.5 version of -say- the 0ad game instead of an OpenBSD version of it that you say it needs at least OpenBSD 6.5 (or whatever) version to run? (same…

Packages are dependant on certain version of system librairies, and binary compatibility isn't a huge concern from version to version.
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