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Re: The global population pyramid

#101

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I'm going to give my not so popular answer for this. Western society is moving away from traditional families. When I ask my son what he wants to become when he's older, he says he wants to be a police officer. When I ask my 2 girls, they both want to become a mom. My social engineered response to this was "maybe you should become a school teacher, that way you can work with kids and be home when your kids are home".…

> On one hand it's great that women have all these new rights. . . Do you mind if I ask how old you are? The rights of women to freely choose careers, and to make their own reproductive decisions, are at least several decades old. > Western society is trying to make boys out of girls, and girls out of boys. . . Can you provide examples of this? Not to preempt your arguments, but this is an oft-repeated conservative p…

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Re: The global population pyramid

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My concern is that population will shrink after 2100 globally but it will already be shrinking in the rich countries long before that. And all indicators right now is that shrinkage will speed up. There is something wrong with rich modern secular society here or anywhere (it happens to all societies right now whether they are European, Japanese, Chinese, etc) in that it currently leads to sub replacement reproduction…

I'm going to give my not so popular answer for this. Western society is moving away from traditional families. When I ask my son what he wants to become when he's older, he says he wants to be a police officer. When I ask my 2 girls, they both want to become a mom. My social engineered response to this was "maybe you should become a school teacher, that way you can work with kids and be home when your kids are home".…

I find it bizarre culturally that being a stay at home mom is so frowned upon in many circles. The idea that working 9-5 for some corporation is one’s highest calling seems silly. Perhaps one day we will respect mothers again.

Re: The global population pyramid

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Words fail me reading comments like this. To say that "women" should be "women" and not do "men" things is an attitude that belongs in the dark ages. It's sexist. It's degrading. It treats women like mindless children who can't make their own choices about what work they want to do. Nobody is forcing women to go into STEM. We are encouraging them because unfortunately they have to deal with toxic attitudes all the ti…

Thank you. I was impressed of going backwards to the 60's reading nonsense like this. OP has unpopular opinion and knows it, but apparently still does not understand why it is sexist and degrading.

I most certainly know why it's sexist and degrading.

But the question still remains: The sexists and degrading cultures seem to produce a lot of kids. While the modern cultures do not produce enough kids. So which values will be passed on?

So what do we do? Is it intrinsic to these equality values, or can we keep these values and have another cultural change to make sure we produce enough kids to pass our values onto?

Re: The global population pyramid

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From a purely economic perspective, staying at home raising kids isn't going to generate you any income. We should perhaps value mothers in other ways, but money is the principal indicator of value in our current society.

Is our culture so blind as to see no distinction between moral value and economic value? This doesn't make sense on an intuitive human level, which is why people will often help out their fellow man without being motivated by profit. Similarly, a stay-at-home parent is (most often) working for the good of their children at the expense of creating economic value, and we as a society need to recognize the moral value o…

Try to pay your mortgage with moral value. Or, as my grandfather was known to say: wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first. No, the virulent strain of capitalism that has gripped the western world over the last century does not value anything but currency. Full stop.

Re: The global population pyramid

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to give my not so popular answer for this. Western society is moving away from traditional families. When I ask my son what he wants to become when he's older, he says he wants to be a police officer. When I ask my 2 girls, they both want to become a mom. My social engineered response to this was "maybe you should become a school teacher, that way you can work with kids and be home when your kids are home".…

> On one hand it's great that women have all these new rights. . . Do you mind if I ask how old you are? The rights of women to freely choose careers, and to make their own reproductive decisions, are at least several decades old. > Western society is trying to make boys out of girls, and girls out of boys. . . Can you provide examples of this? Not to preempt your arguments, but this is an oft-repeated conservative p…

> Do you mind if I ask how old you are? The rights of women to freely choose careers, and to make their own reproductive decisions, are at least several decades old.

i think OP of this subthread means "new" in the context of human society "new". Several decades is still pretty "new" if you take into account human history.

Re: The global population pyramid

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My concern is that population will shrink after 2100 globally but it will already be shrinking in the rich countries long before that. And all indicators right now is that shrinkage will speed up. There is something wrong with rich modern secular society here or anywhere (it happens to all societies right now whether they are European, Japanese, Chinese, etc) in that it currently leads to sub replacement reproduction…

I'm going to give my not so popular answer for this. Western society is moving away from traditional families. When I ask my son what he wants to become when he's older, he says he wants to be a police officer. When I ask my 2 girls, they both want to become a mom. My social engineered response to this was "maybe you should become a school teacher, that way you can work with kids and be home when your kids are home".…

Maybe you should try to do ALL of the things your wife does in the house and your son will want to become a dad? (And your girls will want to be whatever your wife has now the time to achieve, like becoming CEO?) There is no such thing as girls becoming boys and boys becoming girls. It all starts in the house with sharing the childcare, housecare jobs and the mental load.

Re: The global population pyramid

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I know it comes across as very sexist, but let me try to explain my own problem a bit further. You could say I have a split view on things. I grew up in the western world with all of it's values. I greatly appreciate individuals being equal, etc. I myself am a father very involved with my kids, I take parental leave, and my wife has a career. I work in the tech field with the majority of men, but still a lot of great…

May I ask what country you live in? And does your country have laws for sufficient maternity/paternity leave?

Belgium. Mother gets 3 months, father 10 days by default.

Then we have parental leave, which is 4 months for each (can be taken fulltime, or part-time for 8 months, or 4/5th for 20 months). Then we have yet another 4 years each if you really want to take those.

I have 3 kids, and took more of my parental leave than their mom. I also enjoy taking care of my kids. So in practice I don't really live the traditional role ;).

Re: The global population pyramid

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Pensions are not sustainable. Current mandatory CPP contribution in Canada seems like that. It's a promise that government makes that we contribute now which is taken to cover the current senior citizens. What if there isn't enough working force when we get older? How would the government keep the promise?

Social Security in the US as well. Most of my generation that I've talked to have just accepted it as another tax; there's not going to be anything left of it by the time we would actually expect to withdraw from it.

Re: The global population pyramid

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My concern is that population will shrink after 2100 globally but it will already be shrinking in the rich countries long before that. And all indicators right now is that shrinkage will speed up. There is something wrong with rich modern secular society here or anywhere (it happens to all societies right now whether they are European, Japanese, Chinese, etc) in that it currently leads to sub replacement reproduction…

I'm going to give my not so popular answer for this. Western society is moving away from traditional families. When I ask my son what he wants to become when he's older, he says he wants to be a police officer. When I ask my 2 girls, they both want to become a mom. My social engineered response to this was "maybe you should become a school teacher, that way you can work with kids and be home when your kids are home".…

If it comes to it, we will have no problem adopting a Brave New World style procreation strategy. Creating humans out of other human's blood/cells/dna/etc is either already here or imminent.

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/babies-from-bone-marrow

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