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Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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Post by ForHackernews »

mstade wrote: post #85
ForHackernews wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure that's legally fraud, but yes, there's a good chance you'd get away with it.

If it is fraud, then at what point is it not? If I used it for a day/week/month before bringing it, is it ok? Intent matters I suppose, but how do you prove intent to circumvent import duties, versus just bringing my stuff? I genuinely don't know, seems like a lot of gray area.

IANAL, but I think if you were legally resident in the USA for some number of years, and then moved to the EU, you could bring your personal possessions with you.

If you travel to the USA for a week and buy something, that's subject to import duty.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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Post by ido »

gruez wrote: post #86
ido wrote: post #60

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Seeing as most Canadians live near the US border maybe they go closer to American prices there as there's a lower barrier for Canadians to cut the fat margins by crossing the border and buying in the US?

Considering that 1000 USD is 1340 CAD, you're only saving around 40 CAD for your troubles. That doesn't seem worth it if you value your time.

yes, that was my point. If it was a larger margin like in other countries more Canadians would.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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Post by tinus_hn »

ignoramous wrote: post #58
tinus_hn wrote: post #54

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If it were cheaper to build iPhones in India Apple would have been doing that from the start. If you’re lucky prices will remain the same but they probably will go up.

> Tired of paying a premium for Apple products in India. I might be wrong but, I think, OP might be referencing to the fact that phones manufactured in India are exempt from import tarrifs (cross trade avg of around 14%). https://www.export.gov/article?id=India-Import-Tariffs

The price of the phone is not based on tariffs. We’ll see.

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Post by Amezarak »

simonh wrote: post #68
Kurtz79 wrote: post #66

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"That’s what Apple usually does: they keep roughly the same digits, and change the currency." It makes no sense comparing US and EU prices directly, as the former are always shown without VAT (which varies state from state), and in the latter the VAT is included (which is specific to each country). Also, price will fluctuate even across EU countries, on account of different VAT taxes in the individual member states,…

Nice analysis. If you factor in local sales taxes in the US, that 10% difference shrinks or even disappears pretty fast. I'm afraid 'Apple charges more abroad' is largely a fallacy. Where there is a difference, it's almost always pretty clearly due to local taxes or costs of doing business. This used to really piss off Steve J[1] because he saw it as terribly unfair. [1] https://www.imore.com/steve-jobs-international…

State sales tax ranges from 0-7%, with a few localities adding a few percentage points in top of it.

VAT ranges from 17% to 27%.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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Post by Matheus28 »

hodder wrote: post #14
deepGem wrote: post #8

Man, finally this came along. Apple had been negotiating for almost 3 years to setup manufacturing in India. Foxconn got a start in the outskirts of Bangalore where they manufacture iPhone SEs. I as a customer am super glad this is coming along. Tired of paying a premium for Apple products in India. In addition to iPhones I seriously hope they start iPad manufacturing as well. IMHO iPads will probably have a better s…

What makes you think you will not pay a premium for iPhones in India in the future? Apple prices based on demand curves, not supply costs.

Exactly. When Apple started manufacturing some of their phones in Brazil, the prices didn't change, but their profit margin sure did.

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Post by gambiting »

ForHackernews wrote: post #100
gambiting wrote: post #84

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Unless you're buying it with an explicit purpose to sell it off and avoid the import taxes that way it's absolutely not fraud. You are legally allowed to buy something for yourself while abroad and bring it back. That's why you get certain allowances of how much you are allowed to bring back with you - say up to 200 cartons of cigarettes are free to bring over and that's clearly not something that you brought with yo…

In the case of Sweden, the personal duty-free allowance absolutely does not run to the cost of a specced-out Mac Pro: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/individuals/travelling... > Other goods (including perfume, coffee, tea, electronic devices etc.)(a) - Up to a value of €430 for air and sea travellers

It's one law that every single country has on the books and no one ever enforces - observe how it has no provision for anything that you actually own, if you go out of EU with your MacBook Pro and come back you should technically be declaring it at customs as an item over the allowance value. You should be declaring your phone and your watch if it's an expensive one too. Literally no one does this, and if you do try declaring those items you will be just waived through for wasting the guard's time.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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Post by mrunkel »

gambiting wrote: post #106
ForHackernews wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of Sweden, the personal duty-free allowance absolutely does not run to the cost of a specced-out Mac Pro: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/individuals/travelling... > Other goods (including perfume, coffee, tea, electronic devices etc.)(a) - Up to a value of €430 for air and sea travellers

It's one law that every single country has on the books and no one ever enforces - observe how it has no provision for anything that you actually own, if you go out of EU with your MacBook Pro and come back you should technically be declaring it at customs as an item over the allowance value. You should be declaring your phone and your watch if it's an expensive one too. Literally no one does this, and if you do try…

You have very strong opinions for someone who really doesn't understand import/export at all.

Of course things you owned, left the country and are returning with are exempt.

Import Duties apply to items purchased while outside the country and that you are returning with.

If you were away long enough to establish residency, there are usually exemptions to items of personal property you are bring back with you.

The duty-free allowance is different for every country, but in Germany for example it is around 450€ per person (the exact number escapes me). Any goods you return with in excess of that amount is subject to duty.. Some items you return with are always subject to duties.

In Germany for example, they very much will check for this and enforce it.

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