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Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by radicalbyte » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 5:45 PM UTC

mises wrote: post #88

windexh8er wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I tried this; not much help. I was used to a diet of essentially no carbs (and had found it beneficial for me), and actually switched because I had a friend who would not shut up about not eating meat and wouldn't stop until I did. I can indeed eat more, but occasionally I would get full and still not feel "full". The question I ask when people bring this up is always: what type of carbs? Generally you know you're…

> what type of carbs? When I say carbs, I mostly mean grains, potatoes. I know most everything contains at least some, but it's a bit of a colloquialism and hard to avoid. Some occasional beans, oats, etc. I tried eating more of these as part of a diet, and beans were somewhat of a help, but I still didn't feel the same. > A cup of kale has 6 grams I hate kale. Everyone pushes it as a superfood, but the texture is di…

Kale is really nice if you freeze it, boil it then put it in mashed potatoes. Throw a smoked sausage and a bit of bacon in and you're sorted.

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Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by iscrewyou » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 6:01 PM UTC

jandrewrogers wrote: post #82

fastbeef wrote: post #48

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I really don’t want to come off as some sort of condescending euro-snob, but is the state of tap water in the US so bad so that you have to purchase plastic bottles of water?

In some parts of the US, notably coastal California, the taste, smell, and color(!) of the natural water supply can be quite poor. It has more to do with geology than tap water safety and remediating the natural chemistry is cost prohibitive in extreme cases. For example, in the western volcanic regions of the US, pristine water sometimes has an unpleasant sulfur taste -- perfectly safe to use but no one wants to dri…

I agree with everything. But the treatment of water in California and its safety is subjective. The amounts of salts in the tap water is very unhealthy in certain regions. Even though this water is deemed safe by local governments, I still wouldn’t drink it.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by salex89 » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 6:06 PM UTC

mises wrote: post #27

It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury. Many people mention that you can make good food on such a diet, but it is doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? And the ingredients are expensive. Many of the fancy foods on here come from Whole Foods, not HEB. Even if they become affordable, the time aspect is still important; most don't want to spend 2 hours c…

Maybe not luxury, but I can correlate. Most of these things don't even have translations in my language, and I'm not even sure where to buy them, although I would gladly. It's probably the same situation as with neighbouring countries to mine, in landlocked Europe.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by rpiguy » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 6:09 PM UTC

Pfhreak wrote: post #96

rpiguy wrote: post #81

The tone of the comments in this thread terrify me. We have exchanged one set of preachers trying to tell us how to live with a new set of preachers telling us how to live and it is just as bad or worse. Always a group of people trying to suppress your freedom and advertise their virtue.

What does your comment even mean? "Here's 50 foods that reduce impact and feed more people" "STOP OPPRESSING ME!" Really? Like, if you don't think these foods are worth your time, maybe just do your own thing? These foods are already widely eaten by a whole range of people, cultures, and socieconomic statuses.

I will happily do my own thing, until the do goodies decide my hamburger is destroying the environment and adding to national health costs and decide to tax it into oblivion. The article wasn’t bad, I was more offput by the comments. I will edit my post to remove the reference to the article.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by joegahona » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 6:09 PM UTC

mises wrote: post #27

It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury. Many people mention that you can make good food on such a diet, but it is doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? And the ingredients are expensive. Many of the fancy foods on here come from Whole Foods, not HEB. Even if they become affordable, the time aspect is still important; most don't want to spend 2 hours c…

"how do you not feel hungry"

If you eat tons of starch you won't be hungry. I eat whole-wheat pasta, potatoes, rice, beans, peas, lentils, corn till failure at every meal and I am in great health.

Also this is hardly a "luxury" diet -- some of the poorest people on earth eat diets based around starches.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by glogla » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 6:40 PM UTC

rpiguy wrote: post #81

The tone of the comments in this thread terrify me. We have exchanged one set of preachers trying to tell us how to live with a new set of preachers telling us how to live and it is just as bad or worse. Always a group of people trying to suppress your freedom and advertise their virtue.

I agree, it's scary to see so many people be so smugly convince they are better than others and be gleeful about how they can take their choices and way of life (like eating meat) away.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by sachdevap » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

OneWordSoln wrote: post #15

(Side note: that is one gorgeous document.) After watching the excellent documentary "Eating You Alive", I have mostly switched to a whole-food plant-based diet and feel fantastic, although I do eat the occasional pair of eggs. The big difficulty with the diet is avoiding all the refined oils that permeate our packaged food culture. Luckily, my wife is a professional cook and still cooks at home. That said, this docu…

Did I miss something in this comment? I don't understand the downvotes.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by codemac » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 7:04 PM UTC

mises wrote: post #27

It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury. Many people mention that you can make good food on such a diet, but it is doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? And the ingredients are expensive. Many of the fancy foods on here come from Whole Foods, not HEB. Even if they become affordable, the time aspect is still important; most don't want to spend 2 hours c…

> Many of the fancy foods on here come from Whole Foods

.. did we read the same list? Do you think lentils are "fancy"? Spinach? Mushrooms? Them starting with algae is probably a weird move, but regionally they are very available.

> how do you not feel hungry? If I don't have meat, I tend to stay hungry.

You need to think more critically, you probably crave meat because you have it almost every meal. Entire subcontinents and religions avoiding all meat products for millenia probably didn't all just "feel hungry and perform bad".

Just like like it's easy enough for someone to start eating meat, it's just as easy for you to stop.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by byteman » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 7:05 PM UTC

rpiguy wrote: post #104

Pfhreak wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does your comment even mean? "Here's 50 foods that reduce impact and feed more people" "STOP OPPRESSING ME!" Really? Like, if you don't think these foods are worth your time, maybe just do your own thing? These foods are already widely eaten by a whole range of people, cultures, and socieconomic statuses.

I will happily do my own thing, until the do goodies decide my hamburger is destroying the environment and adding to national health costs and decide to tax it into oblivion. The article wasn’t bad, I was more offput by the comments. I will edit my post to remove the reference to the article.

Well are you disputing the damage inflicted to the environment by meat consumption, or are you saying you should be allowed to harm the environment with no limitation or consequence whatsoever?

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by byteman » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 7:16 PM UTC

otabdeveloper2 wrote: post #70

> FOCUS ON PLANT-BASED FOODS A great idea if you want to save the planet by having people die out from exploding (pun intended) obesity.

Sincere question: Do you actually believe that eating plants and not eating enough Meat and Dairy is what leads to obesity? Could you please elaborate on that? Also, I'd love to know what country you are from, if you don't mind me asking :)