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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

marcrosoft wrote: post #96
Angostura wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Election integrity is a media hysteria. Nobody is forcing anyone to vote in a particular way. I think transparency is a real issue - knowing who is funding those adverts and campaigns and putting controls on campaign spending is important. Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way. But if they can control what you see, here and know about an issue, they don't need to force you - do they?

> knowing who is funding those adverts and campaigns and putting controls on campaign spending is important. If I understand you correctly, you are advocating for anti-privacy by _forcing_ advertisers into "transparency"? > putting controls on campaign spending is important That sounds dangerous. How would you feel if we put some campaign spending controls on campaigns you _agree_ with and promote? Controlling campai…

Campaign spending limits and requiring the publication of some political donations is settled law in many countries. In fact, this is true to at least some degree in the US, too. These are not new ideas and the debate about whether they are worth implementing has already been won. The problem is that online advertising can get past existing laws.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by kps »

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #79
anoncake wrote: post #3

Freely accessible source: https://www.greenwichtime.com/opinion/article/The-internet-n...

451 :( Come to think of it... was the HTTP code chosen after Fahrenheit 451?

Yes. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7725

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by sixothree »

Angostura wrote: post #76
marcrosoft wrote: post #17

The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

> Election integrity is a media hysteria. Nobody is forcing anyone to vote in a particular way. I think transparency is a real issue - knowing who is funding those adverts and campaigns and putting controls on campaign spending is important. Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way. But if they can control what you see, here and know about an issue, they don't need to force you - do they?

> Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way.

Persuasion works and can be bought with money. It would be naive to think any of us in this thread are immune to persuasion.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by JasonFruit »

inciampati wrote: post #70
tus87 wrote: post #9

Translation: the deep state is very concerned the internet allows people to bypass the establishment media and create influence that affects the outcomes of democratic elections in ways that upset the elite.

It always seemed to me that this story you're repeating is one spread by the criminal elite (think Murdoch and friends) to the people they rule to convince them that their enemy is exactly the group working for fairness and human rights (namely people who have devoted their life to public service).

"Public service" is a heck of a euphemism. And when has the government ever cared a tinker's dam about anyone's rights? Unless the people force their governments to respect their rights, the government will publicly serve them into subjection.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by xfitm3 »

aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

Yeah, when pigs fly. I never use my real name except for commerce.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by beenBoutIT »

hellllllllooo wrote: post #73
aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

Yeah it's nonsense. Having a separation between my work and personal life is a completely valid reason for having multiple online identities. There are plenty of other valid reasons. Obviously Mark would love us to be constrained to single username so that he can create a more complete profile for selling to advertisers. Data from a real name user is more valuable for correlation with other data sources. This "philos…

An individual with multiple online identities generates more data than the same individual would if they were using a single account for everything.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by BucketSort »

system2 wrote: post #97
mindgam3 wrote: post #36

The guy who broke every single rule in his ruthless conquest of the internet is now asking for new rules. You have to admire the sheer audacity of this play. It does make sense though. He can finally see the tide of public opinion turning against him. Facebook's business metrics will be fine for a while but the pace at which they are losing people's trust is increasing. He needed to make a grand statement now while t…

I think Zuckerberg is just helping the internet to learn and evolve. Without his evil products, we wouldn't understand the psychological harm of the internet. These will clear up in the next 5-10 years.

Every evil person out there, this is your road to salvation. Just say it was a lesson and fully expose every way you've exploited the system and the way others can do the same. Actually, isn't this a common thing? Where people get rich then support laws against doing what they did to get rich?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by sriku »

Part of this is a clear stab at plain adulthood - trying to define "harmful content" is just being patronizing. An adult in the eyes of law is someone responsible for their own mind. Would trying to convince people of the existence of a god in the absence of whatever form of evidence deemed necessary to do that count as "harmful content"?

In a democracy, you want the thinking at the top to reflect the thinking at the bottom - I.e. the adults of a country must be the ones making the rules. What that thinking must be must not be up to those in power to decide .. unless people want that. This has so many tangled loops that no single programmer or one trained in logic is equipped with the skills to provide good "solutions" with full understanding of long term consequences. A good book to read about the possible cognitive failures of highly "educated" people is "The logic of failure" by Dietrich Dorner.

In the case of FB, I think the illusory privacy of a personal network combined with the ability to centrally target these personal networks from the outside has been a mixing of gunpowder and fire.

Will FB stop all targeted ads during an election?

Also, can we have less ad hominem attacks on Mark here please? It is harmful content for the mind, detracts from discussing the points he makes charitably, and unfairly spreads bias against him. (Ha!)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by sixothree »

lstodd wrote: post #68
austincheney wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is even more simple than that. Simply, is the web public or private? The answer in practice is that the web is what ever the service provider needs it to be, which is a shitty answer and why these kinds of problems are present in the first place. The answer to these problems is also simple, but likely more aggressive than Facebook would prefer.

The web in practice is public. All of it. Always was, will be forever. You need your private web - build it. Yourself. To rely on fb to provide you with a private web - are you nuts?

"The web" is not public. Most companies are dedicated to tying your public and private lives. If this weren't true, then why would facebook pay for your private information.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by ravenstine »

The internet doesn't need more rules, it needs less centralization. Mark Zuckerberg wants more rules because his product doesn't scale in the free market. Such a centralized form of communication can only regulate its content via draconian policy or overzealous algorithms, which ironically turn it into a platform that is hardly worth using. People liked Facebook because it had fun stuff on it. When you make your platform not fun, and on top of that you are exposed over and over again for being full of shit, people stop showing up.

Mark Zuckerberg, go away. The problem isn't the internet, but people like you. Not that you will take that to heart at this point, but maybe others will figure you out the more we talk about you openly and outside of your crumbling castle.

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