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Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says
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Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is the DoD/USGov is going to be opposed to any transfer of any ai/ml technology to China. I tend to think that most ai/ml news is hyped and highly speculative, but if the leadership in the US is not sophisticated enough to understand the hype cycle, any ai technology that could be put in a military drone is going to be heavily regulated.
AI is such a new field and China invests so heavily that they may end up leapfrogging US researchers anyways if the US doesn't up its funding: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/14/18265230/china-is-about-t...
The greatest trick the military ever pulled was convincing the populace that the "others" were about to overtake them. It's been going on for decades.
Highly suggest looking at the stark difference in the two biggest military budgets on Earth.
Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says
#103If ever there were a reason to get politicians on the side of breaking up Google (or any other tech company), I imagine this would be it.
I agree that a breakup of Google might be wise for a host of reasons, but how would a breakup help in this particular case ? Some or all of the daughter companies could continue these kinds of relationships post-breakup. I would think a government response to control this kind of activity would involve some form of deglobalization -- such as export controls or other regulations.
Scatter the cockroaches.
Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This basically is exactly the strategy of China, at least with respect to international trade, and it's working absolutely wonderfully for them. if that is the case, then the US has no grounds on requesting the Chinese to open their markets for US firms! If the US is itself committed to empower their oligarchic companies, we should not be surprised if the Chinese create their own mega companies and close their mark…
> If the US is itself committed to empower their oligarchic companies, I think this is a silly strawman and you probably know it. This argument exists on a wide spectrum, at one end is "not acting to break up large companies", and at the other is "outright state owned enterprises with unlimited funding to compete abroad". The fact that the argument applies to both does not make them the same.
It is not a strawman when we're talking about the US trying to "protect" giant and unhinged companies such as Google, Microsoft, Apple, ExonMobil, JPMorgan, and Goldman Sachs. In fact what happens is the opposite, these companies are in large part controlling the country, which puts us in a similar situation as the Chinese.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's optimistic. It could just as well be seen as another excuse to throw even more money at the defense industry. "Google works with China now, so we need to triple the size of our surface fleet." Now ask yourself, which one seems more attractive to a cynical US politician who wants to bring in more jobs for his state? Does a senator from Texas or New York advocate for splitting up Google because it will open the…
Honestly, the DoD should just take a dozen of its few hundred billions and spend them on making an AI workforce. That would be a hundred times better for national security than wasting it on garbage like the F-35.
How could the Department of War (military industrial Congressional complex) profit from that?
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is Google's AI work in China public though? If that's not the case, I see Dunford's point. The DoD does not have a unit in Deepmind ensuring all of their findings are evaluated for potential military usage as far as I know. Whereas that's certainly going to happening in any Google AI lab on China.
Not sure, though if we are speculating, it's most likely a talent acquisition move for recruiting the best data scientists in China, rather than some conspiracy to help the Chinese military.
When they're all the same bucket...
Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Understanding of the hype cycle or not, the trouble is that our government is looking less legitimate by the day because it does not recognize and respond to threats such as climate change and a shift away from democracy that's been funded by our own corporations. Yes, when you invest in China you are investing in communism. You might think you are getting a fast one because workers have no human rights, but try taki…
>Understanding of the hype cycle or not, the trouble is that our government is looking less legitimate by the day because it does not recognize and respond to threats such as climate change The government doesn’t recognize and respond to climate change because the voters don’t recognize and respond to climate change. I would guess on a market cap weighted basis, most corporations are in favor of climate change legisl…
This is not really what the data shows. In the U.S., for example, the large majority of voters recognize global climate change as serious and impending problem. Where voters “don’t respond to climate change” is when they are asked if they’re willing to make general, probably painful changes in the name of potentially mitigating the effects of climate change. That shouldn’t be a surprise, though, since they exhibit the same pattern every time they’re asked about their desire to experience specific immediate pain toward the goal of reducing long-term deleterious effects.