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Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by lambdadmitry »

gdy wrote: post #85
PeterZhizhin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Except that in Russia this works a little bit different. You need a permission (not approbation) from the authorities for any political gatherings. Otherwise, everyone gathering risks spending 15 days in jail (or $500 fines, median monthly salary after tax $300) for gathering illegally. Usually they forbid them, so that was an exception.

"everyone gathering risks spending 15 days in jail" Another Russian here. You are misinformed. The law threatens you with 15 days in jail if you injure somebody or damage property. Likewise, the fines are reserved for things like being drunk or inciting violence. https://zakoved.ru/pravonarusheniya/nesanktsionirovannyj-mit...

Nope, see КоАП 20.2 6.1 for example. Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19355745

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by lambdadmitry »

egao1980 wrote: post #60
PeterZhizhin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Except that in Russia this works a little bit different. You need a permission (not approbation) from the authorities for any political gatherings. Otherwise, everyone gathering risks spending 15 days in jail (or $500 fines, median monthly salary after tax $300) for gathering illegally. Usually they forbid them, so that was an exception.

That's not how it works. You don't need permission to rally. You notify local government about the date and preferred place and number of people. If the place is available - you rally there if not you're given an alternative place.

First, you don't always get an alternative place, lately local authorities started just denying the permission. Second, even if they propose an alternative, it's somewhere on the outskirts and/or at extremely inconvenient time. You can find a big bunch of examples of both at [1] (in Russian).

[1]: https://ovdinfo.org/news/2018/04/25/otkazy-v-soglasovanii-ak...

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by inn_shopper »

egao1980 wrote: post #59
walrus01 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Network engineer perspective: It looks to me like the Russian government wants to be able to cut itself off from the ICANN DNS roots, not because there's any actual threat of western european nation-states or ISPs cutting off its transport links to places like the DE-CIX, but because the Russian government wants the ability to cut things off in an emergency situation. Theoretically, an "emergency" that might be somet…

US has waged several wars recently and Russia is in top 3 list of USA enemies - right after ISIS and ebola as far as I remember. It makes Russian government to worry about things...

> US has waged several wars recently

In 10 last years Russia waged wars in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria.

Not to mention their ongoing 'civil' war in Caucasus region which lasts for about a decade so far.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by sjapkee »

chrisco255 wrote: post #55
PeterZhizhin wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that the Internet as a decentralised system doesn't require any regulation. This a self-regulatory system. On the second question though... I don't see any future for me in Russia. Thankfully, it will be relatively easy for me to emigrate.

I wonder about when people emigrate their way out of a problem country, doesn't it just leave behind people who are too complacent, too poor or too uneducated to enact real change?

YOLO. It takes too much time to change something in the whole country. Almost no one wants to trade a decade of their own lives to fight windmills.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by amai »

egao1980 wrote: post #62

Russian here. Few points: - Root DNS and most of the cloud providers are in US jurisdiction. US declared Russia as top 3 enemy and applies random 'sanctions'; - Russian (and EU) laws require companies to store citizen's personal information locally; - many lazy developers and service providers relied on AWS/GCP thus breaking the law. Telegram blocking attempt has shown that even some government resources are hosted o…

No plans to cut off from the internet? This was in the news a few days ago:

"Russia plans to test a kill switch that disconnects the country from the internet" https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/11/russia-internet-turn-off-d...

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by amai »

gdy wrote: post #89
Tsubasachan wrote: post #49

And things like this make the educated and ambitious young move abroad. Good for the economies of Western Europe but not so good for Russia.

And bigger salary and bigger projects have nothing to do with it.

No, Russians do love their country very much. Just their government doesn't love them back.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by walrus01 »

zanny wrote: post #72
egao1980 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US has waged several wars recently and Russia is in top 3 list of USA enemies - right after ISIS and ebola as far as I remember. It makes Russian government to worry about things...

The US has gone to war with poor desert nomads. Its totally ridiculous to think the #1 nuclear power would fathom... what, a land invasion? of the #2 nuclear power. Russia and the US have been antagonistic of one another ever since the Bolsheviks deposed the US backed monarchy. That doesn't mean either are delusional enough to end the human race in total nuclear annihilation trying to go to war with one another. That…

> The US has gone to war with poor desert nomads.

Okay, so... The "But iraq has WMD lies" that were used to justify the 2003 invasion resulted in a ground war, but not with poor desert nomads.

Saddam Hussein and the Baathist party were the urban elite of the country. In terms of positions of power, financial resources and such, they were the 1% of Iraq.

The insurgencies that formed from "poor desert nomads" came afterwards, after they had defeated the Iraqi army and the paychecks stopped coming for the majority of the Iraqi army and police forces.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by rchaud »

chrisco255 wrote: post #55
PeterZhizhin wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that the Internet as a decentralised system doesn't require any regulation. This a self-regulatory system. On the second question though... I don't see any future for me in Russia. Thankfully, it will be relatively easy for me to emigrate.

I wonder about when people emigrate their way out of a problem country, doesn't it just leave behind people who are too complacent, too poor or too uneducated to enact real change?

That's what the "brain drain" idea is about. These days, it's not just about the problems caused when doctors, scientists and the like emigrate, it's also about what happens when civics-literate people, activists, journalists etc. decide to throw in the towel as well.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by zanny »

walrus01 wrote: post #107
zanny wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has gone to war with poor desert nomads. Its totally ridiculous to think the #1 nuclear power would fathom... what, a land invasion? of the #2 nuclear power. Russia and the US have been antagonistic of one another ever since the Bolsheviks deposed the US backed monarchy. That doesn't mean either are delusional enough to end the human race in total nuclear annihilation trying to go to war with one another. That…

> The US has gone to war with poor desert nomads. Okay, so... The "But iraq has WMD lies" that were used to justify the 2003 invasion resulted in a ground war, but not with poor desert nomads. Saddam Hussein and the Baathist party were the urban elite of the country. In terms of positions of power, financial resources and such, they were the 1% of Iraq. The insurgencies that formed from "poor desert nomads" came afte…

The US defeated the Iraqi military in three weeks. While an incredibly costly endeavor to begin with, the ~15 years of occupation and guerilla warfare since have immensely eclipsed the formal war against Sadam's government.
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