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Post by dijit »

YUMad wrote: post #100
dijit wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In natural gas; https://www.forbes.com/sites/annalisagirardi/2018/12/12/grow... However there is no strong dependence: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/07/19/how-depe... tl;dr: 23% of German power comes from gas; that 35% of that gas comes from Russia. That's a power dependency of roughly 8%. Personally I don't think that's the same as being held entirely captive by a monopoly country as is the case when…

> In natural gas; https://www.forbes.com/sites/annalisagirardi/2018/12/12/grow... . > However there is no strong dependence: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/07/19/how-depe... . > tl;dr: 23% of German power comes from gas; that 35% of that gas comes from Russia. That's a power dependency of roughly 8%. > Personally I don't think that's the same as being held entirely captive by a monopoly country as is t…

>But I'm just nitpicking anyway, it's not the actual topic.

Maybe not, but it's a very good point.

We used to have a reliance on Russia but due to poor behaviour we took steps to remove their power.

I believe we should do that again with technology in regards to the USA.

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Post by 687u655r »

hatsunearu wrote: post #76
dijit wrote: post #9

I feel like this is fair. People like to paint enemies of the east while essentially letting the west get away with much more heinous stuff. The difference of course is that we implicitly trust US tech companies, of course we do, nobody else has such a monopoly on CPUs and Operating System production. Not to mention web browsers and all kinds of technology. Avoiding the USA in your tech stack is quite literally impos…

I don't like the false equivalence of what the US-lead western intelligence does and what the Chinese state does. Obviously in a perfect world none of the "bad" things happen, but I'd rather take the US government spying on me than the Chinese government spy on me.

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> In 2014, former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden said in a public debate, “We kill people based on metadata.”

> According to multiple reports and leaks, death-by-metadata could be triggered, without even knowing the target’s name, if too many derogatory checks appear on their profile. “Armed military aged males” exhibiting suspicious behavior in the wrong place can become targets, as can someone “seen to be giving out orders.” Such mathematics-based assassinations have come to be known as “signature strikes.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-...

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Post by 687u655r »

OG_BME wrote: post #92
miaklesp wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd rather take the US government spying on me than the Chinese government spy on me. Not everyone shares your opinion.

If the Uighurs had a voice, I think they might have something to say about that[1]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/chin...

Same with the Iraqis.

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Post by rchaud »

hatsunearu wrote: post #76
dijit wrote: post #9

I feel like this is fair. People like to paint enemies of the east while essentially letting the west get away with much more heinous stuff. The difference of course is that we implicitly trust US tech companies, of course we do, nobody else has such a monopoly on CPUs and Operating System production. Not to mention web browsers and all kinds of technology. Avoiding the USA in your tech stack is quite literally impos…

I don't like the false equivalence of what the US-lead western intelligence does and what the Chinese state does. Obviously in a perfect world none of the "bad" things happen, but I'd rather take the US government spying on me than the Chinese government spy on me.

> I don't like the false equivalence of what the US-lead western intelligence does and what the Chinese state does.

But it's a point that will continue to be made as long as the US diplomats continue to use Cold War cliches to describe the "enemy" while back-patting the US as a global sentinel for liberal values and human rights.

The USSR couldn't have dreamed of the kind of mass surveillance apparatus the US has.

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Post by 687u655r »

CathayRe wrote: post #12

Nice, Huawei Finally pointed this out, so the next step is hopefully somebody pointing out the difference. There will never be a Snowden in China. You can guarantee their life, or their love one's life will be held hostage. So not only does the "West" ( So to speak ) has a system in place protecting these people, they also have a system to vote them out and elect a new form of government should the ultimate worst com…

What about all those rich Chinese that emigrate to the US and Canada? They all warn about China.

Does Israel count as the West? I can definitely see them taking out traitors.

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Post by 687u655r »

OG_BME wrote: post #94

Some of these comments are... weird. Multiple accounts with broken English defending China and bringing up African Americans (somewhat irrelevantly) in every argument. I'll leave the speculation as an exercise for the reader.

Operation Earnest Voice

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by rchaud »

blackoil wrote: post #4

We should start with the assumption that every government, carrier, service provider, device manufacturer is rogue and will start spying on us. As a technologist, it is responsibility of the people here to create sustainable systems and services which are simple to adopt so can be used by billions of people while keeping there privacy intact. I'll be happy to fund (in my meager capacity) any effort by Mozilla/EFF to…

Thank you. The rest of these comments are involved in a circular argument about East v West, as thought these are fresh debates no one's ever had before.

China v US dick-waving doesn't change the 'facts on the ground' for average people, which is that state surveillance exists, and many people don't know just how expansive it is. That's what people should be opposing, instead of cheering on two massive bureaucracies like they're sports teams.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by rchaud »

CathayRe wrote: post #12

Nice, Huawei Finally pointed this out, so the next step is hopefully somebody pointing out the difference. There will never be a Snowden in China. You can guarantee their life, or their love one's life will be held hostage. So not only does the "West" ( So to speak ) has a system in place protecting these people, they also have a system to vote them out and elect a new form of government should the ultimate worst com…

> There will never be a Snowden in China.

Snowden would have been in a US jail if Russia hadn't found him to be a useful symbol of US hypocrisy. Snowden originally went to HK but the authorities were ready to extradite him, as were most countries that didn't want the US breathing down their necks.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by lern_too_spel »

thraway-burnout wrote: post #93
hatsunearu wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like the false equivalence of what the US-lead western intelligence does and what the Chinese state does. Obviously in a perfect world none of the "bad" things happen, but I'd rather take the US government spying on me than the Chinese government spy on me.

True! China has never directly impacted my life or the life of those I love. The US on the other hand has replaced a bunch of democratically-elected governments in South America with dictatorships, taught torture classes to the people who tortured my grandfather in Brazil, and has taken the economical blockade of Venezuela over the course of decades to the current level of a humanitarian crisis and a disintegrated st…

The US is going to do that with or without intelligence. China is going to steal your trade secrets and destroy your economy and can only do that with access to your computer networks.
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