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Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

#101

we'll always have ham radio

A good xkcd question might be, how much power does it take to jam all frequencies with radio noise, per acre ? Maybe you will have to transport yourself out to the tundra to get clear signal.

should I read about faraday cage forest design ?

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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> Ideas can kill millions. No, it is always people who kills people. > Ideas and beliefs are real and exists as such in our human experience. Yeah, but they do not kill. It is always people. Do not blame ideas for the faults of people.

The idea that adjectives can only apply to humans is pretty novel. Wait, can I say that? Can statements be considered ridiculous? Or is that just people too?

I didn't said that any adjective cannot be applied to an idea. It is moral judgements that mustn't. You'll risk to damage your ability to think clearly, if you allowed your moral to judge ideas. Judge actions if you must, but not ideas.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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8.8.8.8 is anycast, it is announced locally in many places around the world.

Is there a local instance of it in Russia? What happens when that server can’t reach any upstreams?

There is. Only Google can answer the second question with certainty, but I'm 99% sure its upstreams are http://root-servers.org

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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8.8.8.8 is anycast, it is announced locally in many places around the world.

Is there a local instance of it in Russia? What happens when that server can’t reach any upstreams?

Yes there is, but if there wasn't it's easy enough for a government controlled provider to advertise it (and 1.1.1.1 etc).

China (and others) can also simply intercept all udp traffic to port 53.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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This has nothing to do with cyber warfare. Its just pushing the envelope towards full censorship of the internet. They get the systems in place, they run drills to get the population used to the idea, then they close specific sectors, then they close everything and have special "open sectors" and then you're fucked. Don't fall for it.

First, you overestimate western media influence on Russian population, which is essentially so minor you can completely disregard it. Even domestically fewer and fewer Americans(Brits) take American or British media seriously. Second, many governments (not just Russian one) have been very effective at censorship without disconnecting from the Internet. China is the only county that does both censorship and 'the Great…

> First, you overestimate western media influence on Russian population, which is essentially so minor you can completely disregard it

If it's so minor, why Kremlin (in current and previous reincarnation) so worried about it?

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

#108

we'll always have ham radio

A good xkcd question might be, how much power does it take to jam all frequencies with radio noise, per acre ? Maybe you will have to transport yourself out to the tundra to get clear signal.

Soviets try to jam couple of short-wave stations: BBC, Voice of America and Deutsche Welle (at least). It _almost_ worked, you were able to hear them (although with some distortion) but i think that jamming will definitely break any data connections. I think even 300bps will not work with that level of noise.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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> The test is also expected to involve ISPs demonstrating that they can direct data to government-controlled routing points. These will filter traffic so that data sent between Russians reaches its destination, but any destined for foreign computers is discarded. > Eventually the Russian government wants all domestic traffic to pass through these routing points. This is believed to be part of an effort to set up a ma…

There is no way they can afford to fragment the internet. They need open source libraries, they need access to information, they need access to education, etc. If they do that they will gp backward economically.

But they're already doing it.

More than 17 millions of IP addresses were blocked in 2018 [1][2] including large segments of Google/Amazon/Azure/DO/Linode etc. Although recently roskomnadzor unblocked most of them (perhaps due to the spread of DPI among internet providers, so they able to deal with https now and act more accurately), but ~800,000 IPs remains blocked. The government doesn't give a shit about creating a bad reputation for online business in Russia. Instead, actively engaged in "import substitution", e.g. making Сhina-like isolated payment card system [3] or spending millions for "national search engine" [4] (currently bankrupt, AFAIK). They are seems to be totally OK with isolation.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/17/russia-blocks-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Ru...

[3] https://nspk.com/cards-mir/

[4] https://sputnik.ru/

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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In retrospect, the old idea that the internet would be above national borders was hilariously naive. It may be a global network, but there’s nothing that says each country can’t exert a lot of control over their little piece of it.

The Network, in all its incarnations, is about communicating. When you suppose that you'll gain some small advantage by refusing to communicate, everybody else keeps their advantage and you lose yours. You're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Sometimes it takes a war to learn this lesson temporarily. The Treaty of Bern is my go-to example. See, after mail ("snail" mail, not email) had been invented countries…

>everybody else keeps their advantage and you lose yours.

In the eyes of a despot, the regime gains control and the masses loose coordination. The last thing they want is communication.

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