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Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness

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>Besides, depression and anxiety is surprisingly common among children. Whom do you think they learned this from? Trees or cats?

A society that promotes mainly unachievable levels of success, beauty, wealth, and influence?

It isnt unachievable, it is achievable by just enough you think you have a chance.

Like lottery :)

Re: Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness

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That seems like a fairly healthy thing to learn, no? Sometimes we need to acknowledge that our brain can cause us to do things we don't want to, and not beat ourselves up for it. Obviously that can go too far, and you need to anticipate the consequences of your actions, owning your conscious decisions.

Teaching someone to act socially mature without understanding why is like teaching someone to pass a test without understanding the material. Seems like schools are becoming experts at creating fakes.

I don't know where you get this idea from? Where does it say that schools are teaching kids to act socially mature without understanding why?

Mindfulness if taught well should provide the opposite. It gives you a framework to understand your thoughts and emotions and act in a more rational, thoughtful way. It's not a way of abdicating responsibility - just the opposite.

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I spent most of my early childhood in a grimiest, gloomiest, dying city on Russian/Chinese border. From the age of 12 or so, I lived with one goal - get out of there. I had no time for stupid psychologising, nor could've imagined anybody living in glitzy cities of the West to be so dumb to waste time on that. There were times I almost worshipped that imaginary version of Western culture I had with it being all about…

> West had idleness as its second nature... I'm sorry that you had to deal with those things as a child, but I'm not sure what you're saying here. That children in the west are soft due to insufficient adversity? Mental health is not something that's "so dumb to waste time on". Maybe you are tough enough to take what life throws at you, or maybe you just think you are. But I've been around long enough to know that pe…

Purposeful pursuit of idle life should not be thought as a virtue. Not for young men in their prime, without a family.

I admit, I am a bit envious of other men of my age who managed to get that "settled down slow life" with happy family, but even at that stage in life, that "idleness" only comes as a great reward for years of work, and raising a child is a no joke effort.

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I agree problems need to be tackled at the source, but some self-help books may help you deal with the problem. 12 Rules for Life is one such book.

12 Rules for life is a complete mess of strangely used bible quotes, misattributed and misquoted philosophers, at one point blatant rape apology, and an obvious lack of empathy from the author throughout. But one thing is does do well that I wish people would focus on over the obvious shortcomings of the author and why nothing has really replaced it yet is that it tells you in no uncertain terms that if you want to g…

> 12 Rules for life is a complete mess of strangely used bible quotes, misattributed and misquoted philosophers

Can you be more specific with the misquoted and misattributed philosophers?

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I really struggle with the term "mindfulness" as it seems it can mean anything and everything, depending on who you ask. We had some Mindfulness workshops at a previous employer and it was so full of woo and magical thinking that it really turned me off and felt like a huge waste of time. My current company also recently introduced a Mindfulness workshop only this time it was really a basic meditation workshop which…

> My current company also recently introduced a Mindfulness workshop only this time it was really a basic meditation workshop which I enjoyed. I find it extremely weird for companies to offer these things. The only reason they'd do it is to boost their own productivity / margin / whatever. As in "be healthy because we need your ass on that chair and your brain working on our problems". There is already a thin enough…

I want to be healthy. My employer needs me to be healthy. My employer is willing to pay for some of it. Where's the problem?

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Have it ever occurred to you that adults have mental problems because they didn't learn to manage it as children and young adults? Besides, depression and anxiety is surprisingly common among children.

>Besides, depression and anxiety is surprisingly common among children. Whom do you think they learned this from? Trees or cats?

It's not learned. It happens because other children are cruel, we do not prioritize healthy environment for them, and because there is an enormous pressure from social media from a young age.

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> My current company also recently introduced a Mindfulness workshop only this time it was really a basic meditation workshop which I enjoyed. I find it extremely weird for companies to offer these things. The only reason they'd do it is to boost their own productivity / margin / whatever. As in "be healthy because we need your ass on that chair and your brain working on our problems". There is already a thin enough…

I want to be healthy. My employer needs me to be healthy. My employer is willing to pay for some of it. Where's the problem?

A loss of healthy boundaries. My employer is not a parent, and even if it were, I'm beyond the age where that level of input from a parent is healthy.

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I'm always puzzled with the fact that people search for surrogate solutions instead of pursuing the real issue. If you don't feel well there is so much you can do. Make serious effort in making friends, join a sports club or something else you like, solve long running conflicts with other people, don't over- or under achieve on a level which doesn't fit you (school/work), be proud with the things you accomplish inste…

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