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Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by thinkcontext » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

Udik wrote: post #75

jdowongns wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, except that the US has reduced emissions more than any other country and is highly competitive on a per-capita percentage basis.

Anyway measuring emissions this way is pointless when the production is simply offshored to other countries.

According to Carbon Brief traded goods are 22% of emissions. 78% isn't "pointless" and there are things that can't be offshored like driving to work, running your fridge or heating your building.

That said, I agree with the trade system accounting for CO2 emissions.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-worlds-largest-co2-import...

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by shmerl » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

nkozyra wrote: post #5

Good. I don't know how much longer Americans are going to buy the boogiemen we keep getting fed. Sovereign nations under the the U.S.' thumb, not being able to control their own destiny only works so long as we're complacent. I sense we're growing tired of war for war's sake, leery of ideological battles built for future blowback down the road. We see enough people profiting from these wars to wonder how much global…

Yeah, trading with a fascist regime must be good.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by chvid » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

I don't understand how that would prevent the US from sanctioning those banks and companies that trades with Iran? Regardless if they traded through the described mechanism.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:16 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #102

nkozyra wrote: post #5

Good. I don't know how much longer Americans are going to buy the boogiemen we keep getting fed. Sovereign nations under the the U.S.' thumb, not being able to control their own destiny only works so long as we're complacent. I sense we're growing tired of war for war's sake, leery of ideological battles built for future blowback down the road. We see enough people profiting from these wars to wonder how much global…

Yeah, trading with a fascist regime must be good.

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Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by tomp » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:17 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #102

nkozyra wrote: post #5

Good. I don't know how much longer Americans are going to buy the boogiemen we keep getting fed. Sovereign nations under the the U.S.' thumb, not being able to control their own destiny only works so long as we're complacent. I sense we're growing tired of war for war's sake, leery of ideological battles built for future blowback down the road. We see enough people profiting from these wars to wonder how much global…

Yeah, trading with a fascist regime must be good.

Has not trading with "evil" regimes done any good? 50 years later, Cuba still exists, and so does North Korea...

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by pygy_ » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:20 PM UTC

anc84 wrote: post #48

We should have embargos on the US for pursuing a climate change program that destroys the planet.

I wish we could, but I'm afraid the international military projection of the US would make this impossible to enforce.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by srean » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #102

nkozyra wrote: post #5

Good. I don't know how much longer Americans are going to buy the boogiemen we keep getting fed. Sovereign nations under the the U.S.' thumb, not being able to control their own destiny only works so long as we're complacent. I sense we're growing tired of war for war's sake, leery of ideological battles built for future blowback down the road. We see enough people profiting from these wars to wonder how much global…

Yeah, trading with a fascist regime must be good.

US certainly did not show any shyness in doing exactly that. http://www.derechos.org/soa/

Training manual for the school of the Americas http://www.soaw.org/docs/SOA%20Manejo%20de%20Fuentes%201-60....

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/28/opinion/school-of-the-dic...

I understand that dictatorship != fascism.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by malvosenior » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

cletus wrote: post #82

nkozyra wrote: post #5

Good. I don't know how much longer Americans are going to buy the boogiemen we keep getting fed. Sovereign nations under the the U.S.' thumb, not being able to control their own destiny only works so long as we're complacent. I sense we're growing tired of war for war's sake, leery of ideological battles built for future blowback down the road. We see enough people profiting from these wars to wonder how much global…

This is going to be the really unfortunate legacy of Trump: disastrous foreign policy and the loss of soft power. 1. Denial of Russia's meddling in US election because it runs counter to Trump's ego and he had a weird soft spot for autocrats. 2. The baseless termination of the Iran nuclear Accord as essentially a capitulation to Israel and Israeli interests. There was no violation of the agreement. The best the admin…

Not going to war with N. Korea, Russia and Saudi Arabia is a good thing. Trump has lessened tensions, he should get credit for that. As an American, I don't want to fight a war with these countries.

I agree with you on Iran for the same reasons though.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by yukonbound » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

morrbo wrote: post #30

colde wrote: post #3

I'm surprised that Britain is even behind this, as they might have been a bit nervous about the US response, considering their ongoing Brexit. This is a great example of how current US foreign policy means a loss of soft power all over the world. I do think that this is a win for world stability though, trading tends to help relations, which helps stops all sort of unpleasantness. Whether this will be enough i don't…

Practically speaking, the UK is completely screwed when it gets to choose who to trade with post-brexit. The deal the US will make with the UK will effectively be too good for the US (US hold all the cards) for the UK to have any form of negotiating power. The US won't "not accept the deal" or "not make a trade deal with the UK" because UK trades with Iran, itt'l be too good for them to pass up. Itt'l be the only thi…

The UK has always had a lot going for it, and the City of London has been the banking capital of the world long before the EU. With them leaving the EU they will become more competitive even if only by having to compete a bit more. The Germans and the French cannot provide the same regulatory framework as is provided by the city.

I’m surprised their isn’t more discussion about the German domination of the EU. The current structure is not sustainable, and Britain leaving will make that more evident quickly. I would not be surprised if the Dutch are waiting to see where Britain leeds before jumping ship themselves.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by misja » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

AsyncAwait wrote: post #83

danra wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope we stop buying in. When a politician tells us a country is evil, we need to start asking for receipts. Well, there’s the minor issue of Iran’s totalitarian regime consistently announcing their intent to destroy Israel and devestate the U.S.A, and taking actual steps to support the same. I am Israeli and completely left-wing by the way, and believe there are many steps both Israel and the U.S. could take to m…

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I dont'agree with the Israeli occupation of foreign territories but I don't see what that has to do with the US's sanctions against Iran. Are you trying to say that the sanctions against Iran are bad, because there are no US sanctions against Israel?

>> As an European, I just don't get the Israeli fixation with Iran,

Well I'm a European too but I can completely understand that a country which repeatedly has announced its intention to wipe Israel of the earth gets more than usual attention from the Israeli's.