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Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

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I have seen cartoonish green notes as in-game currency, parallel to gold, but much more scarce and can be bought with real money. Kids don't stand a chance.

How much of this is the result of parents allowing children to play games unattended with games they themselves have not played to vet? With all things parenting, it ultimately falls on their shoulders on what they allow their kids to do. Not shilling for the slime balls preying on kids knowing parents are lazy, but parents are not blameless.

>parents allowing children to play games unattended with games they themselves have not played to vet?

So, I'm not telling anyone else how to raise their children... but the fact that society has attitudes like this contributed to my own personal decision to not have any children of my own.

Playing every game your child plays seems... really excessive. I know when I was a child in the '80s and '90s, I had a lot of alone time on the computer, and got to explore a lot of things without my parents; I think it was good for me? I mean, unquestionably, it contributed to my income later on, but I think it might have been good for me in other ways, too?

I think it was probably good for my parents, too.

But then, I super want to reiterate that I am not telling others how to raise kids; I've worked with a few people who kept their kid with them almost 24x7, and that was what they wanted. And it seemed to work out ok? I've totally opted out of that whole thing. I'm just saying, I don't expect anyone to be with their kid 24x7.

Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

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I'm not sure which class at business school is teaching everyone that "If you can get away with it do it! Have zero shame!" because it's probably time to remove that one from the Harvard curriculum.

No, no, no. This isn't taught in college. It's taught in Elementary School when students learn about the world leaders and take two seconds to discover their actual backgrounds and where their power and wealth truly came from. It's learned while watching movies like Wolf of Wall Street where the beautiful protagonist fucks everybody else, living a lavish and perceivable happy lifestyle, before getting "caught" and su…

I agree with you but I would like to point out that this is not Elementary School's fault. It's society's fault and Elementary School is when we first see the effects of this phenomenon, also some (most?) people will only get out from their caves at a later point in their lives.

Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

#104

The issue is Facebook denying refund requests after children were suckered in to make large in-game payments using their parents' stored credit cards. It's not just that this whole scenario is slimy. It's that Facebook was fully aware of it, had a nice in-house term for it ("friendly fraud"), and not only chose not to approve refunds but also chose not to implement the most basic measures to prevent it. [edit: as a c…

> not to implement the most basic measures to prevent it.

The most basic implement to prevent this behavior is for parents to limit their children's access to Facebook. The consequence for that lack of supervision is spent money. Who should we feel sorry for?

Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

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This whole idea of storing a payment token that a company can charge at will (as opposed to a fixed top-up with cash) and then for me to be unable to deny those charges, I find it all unacceptable and refuse to allow it ever. After providing such a payment token there should be no proof and dispute involved, just a single click in a web interface "I refuse to pay for that and I revoke the token". The user of the toke…

Single use cards like privacy.com provides might be the solution you’re looking for

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Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

#106
post #35

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This whole idea of storing a payment token that a company can charge at will (as opposed to a fixed top-up with cash) and then for me to be unable to deny those charges, I find it all unacceptable and refuse to allow it ever. After providing such a payment token there should be no proof and dispute involved, just a single click in a web interface "I refuse to pay for that and I revoke the token". The user of the toke…

Single use cards like privacy.com provides might be the solution you’re looking for

Isn't privacy.com US only?

Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

#107

The issue is Facebook denying refund requests after children were suckered in to make large in-game payments using their parents' stored credit cards. It's not just that this whole scenario is slimy. It's that Facebook was fully aware of it, had a nice in-house term for it ("friendly fraud"), and not only chose not to approve refunds but also chose not to implement the most basic measures to prevent it. [edit: as a c…

> The issue is Facebook

I agree.

Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

#108

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No, no, no. This isn't taught in college. It's taught in Elementary School when students learn about the world leaders and take two seconds to discover their actual backgrounds and where their power and wealth truly came from. It's learned while watching movies like Wolf of Wall Street where the beautiful protagonist fucks everybody else, living a lavish and perceivable happy lifestyle, before getting "caught" and su…

I agree with you but I would like to point out that this is not Elementary School's fault. It's society's fault and Elementary School is when we first see the effects of this phenomenon, also some (most?) people will only get out from their caves at a later point in their lives.

Agreed. Local relevance outweighs global arrogance.

Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

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> At some point the game companies should bear some of the responsibility for deceiving children. I hope a reckoning is coming in this regard. Many games include mechanics that are hard to distinguish from video slot machines and should be regulated the same way gambling is (rated 18+, audited for "fairness").

Unlikely. Society shifted and gambling is stigma free. My son is old enough that arcades are interesting to him now. I was pretty shocked to see how they have declined into shitty skinner boxes and games of chance to win tickets. That was always a factor, but is much more prominent today. The casual acceptance of sports betting is another example of that shift. There’s probably some free marketeer who will opine that…

> Society shifted

Nah. Some people in it shifted, dragged a whole lot of fools with them, didn't experience a reckoning right away, and now think the air's clear. The main punishment for what they've become is being what they've become, that stigma remains whether they can see it or not. They might find themselves scratching at closed doors for undiseased sources of nourishment at some point.

Re: Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards

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Average age of angry bird user was 5 the article says

Really? I thought the presence of the brand was bigger (back in the day) than that would allow for. An average age of 5 puts a pretty sharp limit on the number of 30-year-olds who can play. They're not going to be balanced out by one -20-year-old each.

"Average" in this case may refer to mode, not mean.
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