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Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Post by kraftman »

ekianjo wrote: post #88
vertexFarm wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is partially the same community that thought these violations would be a good idea in the first place, as long as we get a bit of hamfisted curated content and adtech monetization. Of course some of the invested individuals still want to defend it. Maybe just to maintain the cognitive dissonance and assure ourselves what we're doing to people is okay. Expect to be unpopular, but that's fine--popular is not the s…

Thats a pretty bad analogy. Losing the privacy aspect of your location is not the same thing at all as saving a few bucks on a coffee.

I think you're missing the point: that what's important to you is not necessarily important to everyone else.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Post by gdulli »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #89
gdulli wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always been floored that people leave their location services turned on by default. I have mine on for no more than a few minutes a month. I only turn it on when I'm in an unfamiliar location, don't have my bearings, and looking at the map alone isn't enough to help without GPS.

I'm sure you believe that corporations are evil and basically out to get you, but the vast majority of people doesn't. I think it's safe to assume that you're the outlier here. Have you ever tried putting yourself in the shoes of people who leave their GPS on? Can you see how much better the user experience is? Can you understand why someone who never had a negative experience involving their location data might pref…

> I'm sure you believe that corporations are evil and basically out to get you, but the vast majority of people doesn't. I think it's safe to assume that you're the outlier here.

I've worked in ad tech before. I used to write code to do some of this tracking and enable analytics on it. Nobody I worked with was out to antagonize users, but in principle I'd rather not feed a master profile about myself that gets matched, bought, and sold between companies and their partners. There's nothing controversial about my movement throughout the day but I feel better not being tracked.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#103

Post by oska »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #89
gdulli wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always been floored that people leave their location services turned on by default. I have mine on for no more than a few minutes a month. I only turn it on when I'm in an unfamiliar location, don't have my bearings, and looking at the map alone isn't enough to help without GPS.

I'm sure you believe that corporations are evil and basically out to get you, but the vast majority of people doesn't. I think it's safe to assume that you're the outlier here. Have you ever tried putting yourself in the shoes of people who leave their GPS on? Can you see how much better the user experience is? Can you understand why someone who never had a negative experience involving their location data might pref…

Regarding your first paragraph, let me quote from the HN guidelines [1]:

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#104

Post by smelendez »

crb002 wrote: post #99
gdulli wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always been floored that people leave their location services turned on by default. I have mine on for no more than a few minutes a month. I only turn it on when I'm in an unfamiliar location, don't have my bearings, and looking at the map alone isn't enough to help without GPS.

Some people see the glass half full as they have evidence of their movements as an alibi should they need it.

Or a fake alibi if you're sufficiently determined.

Go fishing in a secluded area regularly to establish a pattern. Then go hide your phone there one day, do crime, come back and get phone.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#105

Post by TuringNYC »

crb002 wrote: post #99
gdulli wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always been floored that people leave their location services turned on by default. I have mine on for no more than a few minutes a month. I only turn it on when I'm in an unfamiliar location, don't have my bearings, and looking at the map alone isn't enough to help without GPS.

Some people see the glass half full as they have evidence of their movements as an alibi should they need it.

Or half empty -- as evidence they were somewhere unfortunate (doing something totally benign and unrelated.)

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#106

Post by BurningFrog »

gdulli wrote: post #97
kraftman wrote: post #62

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What are you gaining in exchange for making your life harder?

I don't know what you mean about making my life harder. I don't see what I have to gain by using location services outside the rare moments I need it. I'm gaining privacy by not keeping it on.

> I don't know what you mean about making my life harder

You're spending time and effort turning this on and off.

The rest of us don't.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#107

Post by shaklee3 »

vertexFarm wrote: post #67
interfixus wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being downvoted for this thoroughly sensible comment. At times, HN voting patterns actually scare me. My location too stays off unless I actively require it, mostly then for navigation. Yes, like just about any kind of countermeasure against anything, this one may sometimes introduce a measure of inconvenience. That's fine with me. No free lunch etc. [Edit: As somewhat expected, this comment on downvotes is i…

This is partially the same community that thought these violations would be a good idea in the first place, as long as we get a bit of hamfisted curated content and adtech monetization. Of course some of the invested individuals still want to defend it. Maybe just to maintain the cognitive dissonance and assure ourselves what we're doing to people is okay. Expect to be unpopular, but that's fine--popular is not the s…

The fact that Google knows where I work, and what days I work, and uses that information to alert me before I leave whether there's a better route is worth it. That feature alone can save tens of minutes to hours per week, not to mention all the other benefits.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#108

Post by chrononaut »

netsharc wrote: post #80
granduh wrote: post #57

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Can you go into more detail with how that worked?

Not OP, but I'm guessing signal strength measurements, so if 2 devices report similar values they must be close to each other. And then just add the gyroscope info.

That's an interesting suggestion. I'm curious if the body position as it relates to the closest antenna and the phone, particularly if the RF energy has to pass through the owner's body, would add too much noise when compared to the person if they're standing facing the closest antenna.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Post by DoctorOetker »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #89
gdulli wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always been floored that people leave their location services turned on by default. I have mine on for no more than a few minutes a month. I only turn it on when I'm in an unfamiliar location, don't have my bearings, and looking at the map alone isn't enough to help without GPS.

I'm sure you believe that corporations are evil and basically out to get you, but the vast majority of people doesn't. I think it's safe to assume that you're the outlier here. Have you ever tried putting yourself in the shoes of people who leave their GPS on? Can you see how much better the user experience is? Can you understand why someone who never had a negative experience involving their location data might pref…

ask some Rohingya from Myanmar?

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#110

Post by retardedFaggots »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #86
interfixus wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being downvoted for this thoroughly sensible comment. At times, HN voting patterns actually scare me. My location too stays off unless I actively require it, mostly then for navigation. Yes, like just about any kind of countermeasure against anything, this one may sometimes introduce a measure of inconvenience. That's fine with me. No free lunch etc. [Edit: As somewhat expected, this comment on downvotes is i…

A complaint about downvotes getting downvotes shouldn't "scare" you.

There are so many retarded assholes on HN, that the voting is very nearly irrelevant at this point.

Also the moderation is fucking pathetic.

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