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Not that it makes the chart any less misleading but Apple Retail is the biggest division by number and those employees are indeed spread out.

I thought Apple stores were staffed with contractors, is that not so?

No, retail is staffed with normal employees. They get full benefits, access to the stock purchase plan, etc.

Re: Apple to build campus in Austin and sites in Seattle, San Diego and Culver City

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Tech employees are very cheap for the community. They take very little government aid, their use of roads is quite moderate (and is getting lower as "working from home" picks pace), and they usually pay enough property taxes to pay for local schools. On the other hand the benefits they bring to the community are enormous.

That isn’t my observation. They displace other communities entirely by driving up cost of living.

As an engineer in Austin, I mostly concur.

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This doesn't make much sense. Transit follows population. You wouldn't build transit before there was a need for it.

A robust city development plan should incorporate infrastructure buildout as part of the planning sign-off process. For urban areas in particular, it's important to make sure that things like road and transit access, schools, medical facilities etc. are able to cope with increased demand. This can include requiring developers to make financial contributions towards infrastructure as part of that process. You can't re…

What you describe is ideal, but we also have to recognize that the city has limited ability to stop things from getting unbalanced. Cities like San Francisco and Seattle are adding more jobs than they are housing. Banning an increase in housing doesn't create a balanced system, it just shifts the deficit to the suburbs and the road system.

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Yes. People can be generally pro-development and also oppose development that just consists of sticking tall apartment buildings here and there while leaving public transit, auto infrastructure, and other public works as an exercise for the indefinite future.

This doesn't make much sense. Transit follows population. You wouldn't build transit before there was a need for it.

That's exactly when you build it if you want to do it cheaply and control where the growth happens. Growth follows infrastructure.

Re: Apple to build campus in Austin and sites in Seattle, San Diego and Culver City

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Big corps love to brag about "adding jobs", but don't like to brag about the "tax incentives" they are getting. There are usually huge costs for the whole community. Austin tax incentives for Apple seem to be relatively small [1], but Foxconn factory in Wisconsin is an extreme case. I highly recommend the Replay All podcast episode on this [2][3] [1] https://www.statesman.com/news/20120901/austin-council-oks-8... [2]…

it's weird to frame net new revenue as a "huge cost the whole community" Taking less money from someone who is building a business in your area is not a cost. They have a choice on where to build, and tax burden is one of many factors in that choice.

The problem is that the companies get municipalities to compete to provide the best incentives package. With sufficient competition and assuming well meaning, rational government officials, the winning municipality will have to reduce their "margin" (new tax dollars - incentives) down to a very small amount. These incentives often require the government to take out large loans that they will be paying down for decades before realizing any actual new "profit."

Then factor in the fact that their will always be some municipalities with government officials who are willing to overspend (other people's money) for personal political points. When they win an RFP for a big factory, sports team/stadium, movie production, or corporate headquarters they get to have a flashy press conference touting all the jobs. This helps them in their political career which is often over well before the actual net value of the deal can be realized in 20 or 30 years.

Re: Apple to build campus in Austin and sites in Seattle, San Diego and Culver City

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Didn't know about the Culver City expansion, neat! There's a tremendous amount of tech talent in LA, I'm surprised they don't already have a major presence here

I live in LA and I think the level of tech talent is abysmal. At the Java meetup this week, eight people showed up. EIGHT. In the Bay/SF/NYC, there would be over a hundred. I have been to tech gatherings, where I would be the only techie.

Re: Apple to build campus in Austin and sites in Seattle, San Diego and Culver City

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omitted from the title, but included in the article, is that they're also expanding in boulder colorado.

i know that location has been under construction for at least 6 months now. my business was having some construction done, and we kept getting bottom of the barrel subcontractors, because our contractor also has the apple building, and kept sending their good folks over there. :(

Re: Apple to build campus in Austin and sites in Seattle, San Diego and Culver City

#108

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If one state didn't offer a tax break, then another would and win the business. There are 50 states, and most of them compete for businesses with tax incentives fairly competitively.

This is why the EU has laws against this kind of race to the bottom between nations

Somebody better tell Ireland...

Re: Apple to build campus in Austin and sites in Seattle, San Diego and Culver City

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Big corps love to brag about "adding jobs", but don't like to brag about the "tax incentives" they are getting. There are usually huge costs for the whole community. Austin tax incentives for Apple seem to be relatively small [1], but Foxconn factory in Wisconsin is an extreme case. I highly recommend the Replay All podcast episode on this [2][3] [1] https://www.statesman.com/news/20120901/austin-council-oks-8... [2]…

I saw this video about LA a few days ago and it is very sad how these tax incentives are ruining entire states. [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWTic9btP38

There is another great video that goes into detail on his Louisiana is trapped in a tax incentive hell because of how they award these credits:

https://youtu.be/RWTic9btP38

Re: Apple to build campus in Austin and sites in Seattle, San Diego and Culver City

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That isn’t my observation. They displace other communities entirely by driving up cost of living.

As an engineer in Austin, I mostly concur.

As a native austinite and engineer I completely disagree. The eastSide was a terrible place before. Going into pan am park was a no go at any time of the day. Comunities and infrastructure were dying in eat Austin. Also, It had extremely low home ownership rates so the lower class didn’t even own homes in these areas but made money for westside landlords.

South congress was full of crackheads and prostitutes as early as the 90’s. We had real urban decay. Now we are growing like crazy and if you’re willing to work hard any immigrant can get a construction job and make a great living for themselves.

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