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Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by Yetanfou »

simonh wrote: post #23
amelius wrote: post #20

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Openness.

Openness is a pretty old big thing at this point. Apple haven't been open since the Apple II and it's worked out fine for them. Arguably the 'open' camp has missed the current big thing - privacy and security . Yes they are one thing, just with two sides to it.

What makes you think that the 'open' camp has missed the current big thing - privacy and security? It can only be that you drank the Kool Aid Apple provided. Security-wise the 'open' camp - which includes things like Linux, *BSD and AOSP (which can be called 'Android' as long as you keep in mind not to include the Google-proprietary bits) has a better track record than Apple, privacy-wise there is no comparison. I put way more trust in those than I do in Apple as that is, after all, a commercial enterprise with a single goal.

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by Spooky23 »

smashingfiasco wrote: post #76
Spooky23 wrote: post #42

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They've had that for years -- iMessage. IMO Facebook is for aspirational connectivity... you stalk your high school friends from afar. iMessage is for the people whom you actually talk to, and the green vs. blue bubble is a subtle peer pressure factor to get people to flip. As more applications expose functionality via iMessage, that will get more powerful.

Shared Albums in the Photos app lets you do just that.

Agree, alot of the pieces are there, but Apple has done a not so great job at discovery. That's slowly getting better imo.

I use my kid's school as a proxy for the average joe. About 60% of the moms have no idea that Shared Albums exist, and most of them don't really understand how they work. The UI is a little weird.

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by basch »

snazz wrote: post #100
gbrindisi wrote: post #96

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> I ALSO think SOMEONE should come up with a "financial ID." Instead of signing into banking sites with "Facebook" or "Google" each one has its own unique login, password, security questions, validation. One Financial ID, isolated from Social IDs could drastically cut down on phishing, hacking etc. Smaller institutions would not be running their own Identity/Trust silos in isolation. Resources to build trust over who…

I have never had a bank that allowed you to log in with social media accounts. Which one(s) have you seen with this?

...... https://docs.idfy.io/eid-providers/swedish-bankid

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by code_duck »

As far as Apple’s ‘real world social network’, any time I hang out in upscale or hip coffee shops or bars, the laptops are >80% Macs. Observed this in RiNo in Denver the past few days, for instance, after buying a Chromebook (actually so far it’s 100% Macs) Apple’s conspicuous branding definitely serves a socioeconomic signal, like driving a luxury car. It’s as if everyone has a BMW, though and other luxury cars don’t exist.

Next, “Apple’s culture and approach to products is antithetical to the culture and approach necessary to create and grow a traditional social network. Apple wants total control and to release as perfect a product it can; a social network requires an iterative approach that is designed to deal with constant variability and edge cases.”

I disagree with the last sentence. Does the author believe that simply because that’s how Facebook chooses to operate - eternal bleeding edge? Constant mission shift, like Instagram?

Twitter seems fairly stable to me. I also recall when we used software like VBulletin for years without updates for very successful social networking. I don’t see why this software has a special need to cope with variability and edge cases, just to share photos and messages with people.

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by macintux »

toyg wrote: post #78
macintux wrote: post #62

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> Apple are just reacting to Google building a similar network of physical locations for outreach and training last year You know Apple has been offering free classes at their retail stores for years, right?

Yeah but they’ve mostly been basic tutorials. The idea of “Today”, if i remember correctly, is to go beyond that, both in terms of volume and audience. Are you suggesting “today” is just a coat of paint over the existing stuff?

I'm suggesting that I doubt Apple is reacting to Google.

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by macintux »

yuy910616 wrote: post #99
macintux wrote: post #56

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Apple already has a smart home initiative; what am I missing? There were early complaints that Apple was making too many demands on manufacturers with regards to security, but given the utter shitshow that is IoT these days, it sure seems like it was a good idea.

No missing anything :) Didn't know they already have one.

I'm sure there's another level they could take it to. Here's HomeKit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomeKit

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by mijamo »

gbrindisi wrote: post #96
basch wrote: post #71

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I completely agree. Apple needs to move into full banking. Mint, 401k Management, Bill Pay, TAXES, Yahoo Finance, Student Loans, the old Manilla (collecting ALL aggregate statements in one place forever.) They should buy Schwab, Envestnet, Personal Capital, YNAB, and Motif and slap a Robinhood/Monzo coat of paint on a new frontend. They could go from Apple Pay to Best Banking Experience in the World, in no time. As f…

> I ALSO think SOMEONE should come up with a "financial ID." Instead of signing into banking sites with "Facebook" or "Google" each one has its own unique login, password, security questions, validation. One Financial ID, isolated from Social IDs could drastically cut down on phishing, hacking etc. Smaller institutions would not be running their own Identity/Trust silos in isolation. Resources to build trust over who…

I don't think you can say that bank ID is "isolated from Social IDs".

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by Spooky23 »

oflannabhra wrote: post #33

I appreciate that Ben took the time to read between the lines of what Apple has been saying, to tease out how Apple is thinking about Apple. It's clear that's why he has a successful business. This article made me stop and think about Apple's future, and to be honest, the future of computing. I think it is clear that in 10 years mobile computing has reached maturity (which is astounding). There is no broad use-case a…

> There is no broad use-case advantage that iOS has over Android (ie, I can communicate on both of them, I can get directions on both, etc).

Compliance and security is the magic of iOS. It's pretty trivial to deploy them securely, whereas with Android is a mess that requires lots of third party stuff. Hopefully Chrome will come to the phone someday to address that.

If you really care about device security, it's pretty difficult to not use an iPhone. The only exception that is a clear winner is for field service and other folks who operate in extreme weather conditions, due to iPhone's narrow operating ranges.

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by xfitm3 »

ryandrake wrote: post #57
xfitm3 wrote: post #31

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I rarely make changes so I don’t see the value here. I have every recurring bill setup to auto pay. If I had to manually pay bills I would go insane.

Interesting. I choose to manually pay all my bills, and avoid monthly subscriptions for things. This allows me to see billing shenanigans as soon as companies attempt them, rather than months later. Comcast just recently raised my bill by 15% or so because that's what they do, and I was able to avoid it before paying it. With auto-pay I would have just kept paying the higher rate. I also try to manually pay everythin…

I review my expenses quarterly and adjust my budget as needed. I catch those types of shenanigans there - most of the time.

Re: Apple’s Social Network

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Post by mbesto »

throwawayinside wrote: post #25

If you are a developer with a SaaS business, be very afraid. Apple is going to do everything possible to collect a 30% tax on your business to fix their growth problem. It’s ironic, really. The company that mastered tax evasion is about to become the world’s most determined tax collector.

Huh? Are you implying that if I create a web app, Apple is going to somehow take 30% of my revenues? How?
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