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While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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Its also ironic apple are suing Qualcom regarding licensing fees which are paid as a percentage of the hardware cost, as they believe that this means Qualcom profit from apples innovation unfairly, you could argue that Apples policy is the same with the App Store - why do they get a percentage? They add no extra value for high value transactions, surely a low fixed fee would be more aligned with apples values :)

Because most of the R&D that Qualcomm does (and as a fabless, IP is their real business) ends up on Android phones, while Apple pays the biggest slice. Therefore, they are getting their chips from Intel. Apple doesn't have anything to do with Qualcomm anymore, they get the package from Intel. Qualcomm can battle Intel in court if they want. Good luck for them...

I guess I mean the principle that a percentage is taken - why should apple take more of a higher price transaction when there are no material differences in cost to them?

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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Capitalism requires growth (or more generally, increased consumption of products/resources), so stagnation is bad by definition.

Does it? There are plenty of companies with lower growth that still produce regular profits and dividends.

>lower growth

How many healthy/successful companies out there have _no_ growth? That's my point.

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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Apple takes a 30% commission on any revenue passing through the store, and 15% on subscriptions. These fees are exorbitant - they are merely ringing a credit card, transmitting a few megabytes of data, and performing a basic examination of the app itself. The oligopolistic position that they hold is their main point of value.

What about the cost of maintaining iOS and all the sdks.

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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I don't think you understand what a "free market" is. This is a free market. A more regulated market would require open hardware platforms from hardware manufacturers and open systems from operating systems implementors. Only government intervention can force that to occur.

I'm pretty sure pretty much every sentence in your post is false. I'm talking in context of services provided on iOS, where you cannot have equal competition. Calling that market "free" means you're deliberately ignoring the reason why free market is a good force of society - because it allows the competition between providers to drive down prices and improve on benefits to the user. If some are hamstrung when trying…

Following the holy book of a brand, like Apple, will also lead there.

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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Nothing physical can keep growing forever.

Except, maybe, the universe itself?

I considered that before posting, but think I'm safe: just don't ask for a rigorous proof!

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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Yep, the wives of the HN userbase and their ongoing obsession with maintaining their beauty. :eye roll:

Are you saying people(wives included) shouldn't care about their beauty? This seems like a completely unnecessary response to the comment.

No, I’m pointing out that it’s a weird sexist comment that sounds like something from a scene of Mad Men.

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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post #85

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I don't think you understand what a "free market" is. This is a free market. A more regulated market would require open hardware platforms from hardware manufacturers and open systems from operating systems implementors. Only government intervention can force that to occur.

I'm pretty sure pretty much every sentence in your post is false. I'm talking in context of services provided on iOS, where you cannot have equal competition. Calling that market "free" means you're deliberately ignoring the reason why free market is a good force of society - because it allows the competition between providers to drive down prices and improve on benefits to the user. If some are hamstrung when trying…

“Services provided on iOS” is not a market in the regulatory sense. “Services provided to mobile devices” is possibly a market in that sense, and there is indeed competition there.

Apple would have to have a monopoly on mobile devices for there to be a concern that the market is not free.

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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Are you saying people(wives included) shouldn't care about their beauty? This seems like a completely unnecessary response to the comment.

No, I’m pointing out that it’s a weird sexist comment that sounds like something from a scene of Mad Men.

I would assert that the genders could be reversed, say, for a husband's handsomeness, or any other quality in any person, and the metric would apply. And of course persons could be removed altogether – that's the point – we started out talking about cell phones.

The purpose of my anecdote, and the reason I chose something with such sentiment, is to highlight the semantic difference between words by placing them in a more emotionally charged context. One likely doesn't think too hard about the praise they bestow upon their iPhone. One hopefully thinks harder about the praise they send their lover. The heightened importance of word choice in situation B makes it easier to understand situation A.

If degrading sexist tropes are your mind's first destination in in the context of this conversation, I believe you are a hammer in search of a nail.

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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post #108

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No, I’m pointing out that it’s a weird sexist comment that sounds like something from a scene of Mad Men.

I would assert that the genders could be reversed, say, for a husband's handsomeness, or any other quality in any person, and the metric would apply. And of course persons could be removed altogether – that's the point – we started out talking about cell phones. The purpose of my anecdote, and the reason I chose something with such sentiment, is to highlight the semantic difference between words by placing them in a…

I perfectly understood what you were trying to say. It was just awkward and stereotypical. Again, like something from Mad Men. Like we’re all married men talking about how our wives are obsessed with their beauty.

It’s a mildly anachronistic and sexist trope. I found it amusing so I left the comment. Really not a big deal, and from your closing line, I’m sure there’s zero chance of you examining your behavior or assumptions, and I’m not going to waste time arguing about it. Have a great day!

Re: While iPhone sales remain stagnant, Apple services hit $10B in revenue

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im seeing more ex-Apple users being woke after using Android. They've tasted endless hours of ad free Youtube + Youtube Music + Play Music. You can download songs to YM and what can I say, youtube has music you can't find anywhere. It's convenient that while I'm driving I can interact with different apps like maps and switch to music or play it at the same time without touching the phone. Youtube Music lets me play a…

You know Apple has Apple Music for ad-free streaming, right? And it’s all integrated with Siri and everything. It’s also way more popular than Google Play Music (or whatever it’s called this month), and I trust Apple a lot more than Google. Since we’re trading anecdotes, I know exactly no one switching to Android, and a number of people who have switched back to iOS in the last couple years. Of the few Android users…

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