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My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you earn 3 times as much, but wind up spending 3 times as much, you are still saving 3 times as much. It's almost always better to get high pay in a high CoL area, than to get low pay in a low CoL area.

Working from paycheck to paycheck you don't earn 3 times as much and you don't save. Most of my friends who live here can't afford to buy a house, they rent. Almost all my friends who left SF Bay were able to buy within months. Cost of living and the housing prices in SF Bay are extremely disproportionate to salaries.

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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #100
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you earn 3 times as much, but wind up spending 3 times as much, you are still saving 3 times as much. It's almost always better to get high pay in a high CoL area, than to get low pay in a low CoL area.

Almost but not quite - at high ends of salary the marginal tax rate is 38%, so $50k->$100k doesn't necessarily make you richer, it just makes Uncle Sam happier.

Well, if your workload would be the same either way, you'd want to be in a world where there are more tax dollars than less :)

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year. Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary.

  2003 -  0 YOE -  200000 INR (  3000 USD) - Software Engineer  - One of the very popular Indian IT firms
  2005 -  2 YOE -  300000 INR (  4000 USD) - Senior Engineer    - Same as above
  2007 -  4 YOE - 1000000 INR ( 14000 USD) - Software Engineer  - A small American company with their office in India
  2009 -  6 YOE - 1500000 INR ( 20000 USD) - Senior Engineer    - Another small American company with their office in India
  2011 -  8 YOE - 2000000 INR ( 28000 USD) - Principal Engineer - Same as above
  2013 - 10 YOE - 3500000 INR ( 47000 USD) - Principal Engineer - A big American company with their office in India
  2015 - 12 YOE - 7000000 INR ( 95000 USD) - Principal Engineer - A big American company with their office in India
  2017 - 14 YOE - 9500000 INR (128000 USD) - Principal Engineer - Same as above

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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more data 1990 - 7.50/hr software testing @ bigco1 1992 - $24/hr software testing @ bigco1 1994 - $40/hr developer @ bigco1 1996 - $54k developer @ bigco1 1997 - $58k developer @ bigco2, options-heavy comp (worth ~$400k over 9 years) 2006 - $120k developer @ startup1, options-heavy (worthless) 2008 - $120k developer @ startup2, options-heavy (worthless) 2016 - $290k developer @ bigco3 2017 - $360k developer @ bigco3…

Whoa. What position for bigco3? edit: yes, I was born after you had many years of work experience :)

Basically what would be a 65 at bigco2 (MSFT)

Note that options have turned out to be pretty mediocre on average for me. $400k over 9 years at MSFT was a significant chunk of compensation, but they weren't life-changing. It's possible that startup2 can still make me a bunch of money, because I own the stock and they're profitable, but I basically count the probability as 0. Get RSUs.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #103

I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year . Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary. 2003 - 0 YO…

A quick question - presumably your first position was based in India - is this still true ?

(I mean that's a 40-fold increase - well done, but if the India IT industry is seeing that sort of inflation it must be a weird ride.)

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #103

I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year . Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary. 2003 - 0 YO…

A quick question - presumably your first position was based in India - is this still true ? (I mean that's a 40-fold increase - well done, but if the India IT industry is seeing that sort of inflation it must be a weird ride.)

Yes, I am still working in India.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #103

I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year . Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary. 2003 - 0 YO…

That's great. What's your stack and on what technologies are you working?

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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    2007 bigco1  74000 base, $30000 stock [fired performance]
    2010 startup 85000 base, 1000x stock 
    2011         fired for performance (company later went public, and stock was >$100 so that cost me 100k)
    2015 govt    56000 after 4 years unemployed (basically drinking and getting high everyday on savings)
    2018 bigco2  100000 (sober now)

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Nice money at those big American companies. In Australia, you have to become a plumber to get to those levels :-)

Funny you should say that. So here's my situation: college diploma (massage, 2005-07), BSc (bio/psych, 2007-11), MSc (psych, 2013-15), MSc (econ/bus, 2018-19)... and yet my main money-maker continues to be massage because:

1. $110 CAD ($83 USD)/h

2. I set my own schedule, both weekly and time off (self-employed).

3. Zero stress: no one's ever stressed coming in, and I get to directly help people in pain. These people tend to be very neat and I have an hour to get to know them and the interesting lives they lead. It's very fulfilling.

Since starting my current practice in Vancouver six years ago I've made $300,000 CAD ($230,000 USD) total, working an average of 3.5 months/year (or, more accurately, averaging 8 months/year, 3.5 days/week). It's paid off my BSc student loan and covered an expensive MSc that I was able to finance while simultaneously completing it full-time in Europe for two years. I'm now able to turn my focus to helping my family get out of debt.

I should add that I've worked the same in Toronto, Nova Scotia, Montreal, and Yellowknife, and nowhere was it this good. I'm also quite good at what I do and am a real people person -- these are key. And a white male as well, but our clinic is made up primarily of ladies who make the same as me, just less in total as I work longer -- 8-10h compared to their 5-7h days.

I'm so happy this conversation was started. I wish I could have read this post before diving headlong into student loan debts the first decade of my adult life.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

#110

2007 bigco1 74000 base, $30000 stock [fired performance] 2010 startup 85000 base, 1000x stock 2011 fired for performance (company later went public, and stock was >$100 so that cost me 100k) 2015 govt 56000 after 4 years unemployed (basically drinking and getting high everyday on savings) 2018 bigco2 100000 (sober now)

Congrats on being sober!
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