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> The truth, probably, lies somewhere in the middle. Ooh I hate it when people say that :) In particular, it is a hackneyed journalistic technique to list the positions of the Left and the Right, deride them both as extreme, and then settle on a reasonable compromise in the middle. A much better approach is to consider each idea on its merits. In fact the threat to informers was manufactured -- the last drop was uned…

I like the first half of your comment. The second half, though - > On the other hand by hastening the end of the war and preventing future wars (by informing the public of the horrors), the upside is solid. Letting Iraq break into regional sectarian rule would be a disaster. Foreign forces need to be there until locally trained police and military forces are able to keep rule of law in Iraq. Letting the place become…

To your point [1]

reputation has little if at all relevance here.

The US largely employed a strategy of asymmetrical, anti-access, area-denial. shock and awe etc... in Iraq initial phase of the war.

put simply, we see you on the field we turn you into vapor, essentially making open conflict with US forces a suicidal idea, because you can never match the fire power.

This strategy, and not the reputation you talk about, is what encourages the enemy to fight an attrition, largely non kinetic war, over a long time, its simply a prudent logical approach to a fight against an enemy with far superior capabilities on the field

Parts of the military recognized this, and hence the COIN doctrine was born, wining the battle is easy for the US military, it is done swiftly. wining security post conflict (re occupation) is something the US military had consistent problems with primarily due to the size and nature of the occupying forces (20 something marines make a very effective combat solider, but lousy and impatient occupier)

Another way of putting it, is that the US does not need a great number of troops to win armed conflict scenarios, but require a great number of troops (of a different sort) to secure occupation, this was the point that general Eric Shinseki made at the time before congress, and was ridiculed for it by the neocon know it alls.

I do agree with you that the US will continue to have an increasing number of low level armed conflicts around the world, It is the fist of globalization if you will.

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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No, it was a bullshit war fabricated and developed. You can look up the PNAC's detailed history where they were just aching for excuses to go to war with Iraq and other Middle Eastern states. The disputability of the intentions of the war is something only American citizens question. Everyone else knew from the start that there was nothing good in it. Just for a start, Google the matter for a few minutes and you'll s…

I don't really see how you're contradicting what I wrote. The "look out, he's got a gun" excuse was largely a BS attempt to sell the war to the public, but the philosophical idea - the long-run reason for wanting to go to war in the middle east for a long time - has much of its roots in this domino theory. I think they really did expect to find a few fragments of evidence that would back up the "he's got a gun" excus…

> But I don't think it was the strategic reason for wanting to go to war; an unrealistic and naive (but profitable) ideology was.

The ideology of the neoconservatives who fabricated the war was plain and simple: America must the be the world's superpower at all costs. This implies backup governments that are friendly to American interests, regardless of their political affiliations. There is nothing naive about that, it is simply perverse and disregards all concerns for human life or regional peace.

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Assange is a real scumbag for risking people's lives. He claims his real purpose is to protect against threats against democracy. Isn't it interesting how he behaves when he gets a little bit of power - autocratic, capricious, and meglomaniacal? I wonder what sort of behavior that he could rationalize in the name of the greater good.

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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everything wikileaks has done is not only more "news" than hacker news, but also more "hacker" than hacker news.

That's a pretty worthless comment if you don't have justification for either of those two points. I see you haven't been here long, though, and your karma seems to be reflecting that you don't really get HN yet, so if you're just trolling you can ignore this comment.

i'm not sure what you mean by "worthless". it's just taking the two terms and going by their def'n. seems fairly obvious.

news - wikileaks provides information to the public

hacker - ummmmm, i'd have to ask you what your def'n is here. this is just fairly obvious. a lot of their data is acquired through electronic means.

p.s. i don't post often (not much time), and i've been here quite a while. my karma is due to one comment making a digital underground reference not many people got (look it up). that's all irrelevant tho (only people with X karma and X years on hn are qualified to post?).

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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post #103

Assange is a real scumbag for risking people's lives. He claims his real purpose is to protect against threats against democracy. Isn't it interesting how he behaves when he gets a little bit of power - autocratic, capricious, and meglomaniacal? I wonder what sort of behavior that he could rationalize in the name of the greater good.

so are all people that risk people's lives scumbags?

what if the people he releases info about are ones that risk more people's lives than he does?

part of war is about putting your life at risk in order to preserve the lives of many more. a small sacrifice for a larger one. if you don't like war, don't participate in it.

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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everything wikileaks has done is not only more "news" than hacker news, but also more "hacker" than hacker news.

That's a pretty worthless comment if you don't have justification for either of those two points. I see you haven't been here long, though, and your karma seems to be reflecting that you don't really get HN yet, so if you're just trolling you can ignore this comment.

also, from hn guidelines http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3.""

so i guess you don't get hn either....

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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post #103

Assange is a real scumbag for risking people's lives. He claims his real purpose is to protect against threats against democracy. Isn't it interesting how he behaves when he gets a little bit of power - autocratic, capricious, and meglomaniacal? I wonder what sort of behavior that he could rationalize in the name of the greater good.

so are all people that risk people's lives scumbags? what if the people he releases info about are ones that risk more people's lives than he does? part of war is about putting your life at risk in order to preserve the lives of many more. a small sacrifice for a larger one. if you don't like war, don't participate in it.

No, I think that Assange is a scumbag because he's a hypocrite.

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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post #107

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so are all people that risk people's lives scumbags? what if the people he releases info about are ones that risk more people's lives than he does? part of war is about putting your life at risk in order to preserve the lives of many more. a small sacrifice for a larger one. if you don't like war, don't participate in it.

No, I think that Assange is a scumbag because he's a hypocrite.

ummmm, you realize that's not what you said in your post?

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Yeah but we got the Sony walkmen, Manga, Honda Fireblade, Nintendo WII and some nice cameras. As well as a staunch ally that's been no trouble to anyone (except whales) Just saying it's worth trying - just a couple of cities.

On what basis would you have nuked them? They were at no treat what so ever to the US.

Sorry are we still talking about Japan? Difficult to see what threat to the US a starving isolated besieged Japan with no armed force, for or raw materials was either?

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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post #107

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No, I think that Assange is a scumbag because he's a hypocrite.

ummmm, you realize that's not what you said in your post?

Are you really that literal?

My one sentence response contains a comma. The "No" is a response to your query. The rest of the sentence does not in any way contradict what I said before.

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